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Firearms and Gear => General Discussion => Topic started by: vegasman on June 09, 2011, 10:18:38 PM
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I've checked the internet,but no luck. I like my 40p but have had a couple instances of the slide jamming back so hard,that you have to unstick it with a mallet. I bought it new and it has @150 rounds thru it. I upgrade to the steel guide rod from cz. The problem still occurred. No barrel to slide interference thats obvious. needless to say i'll stick with my 75b for the house gun. You know I hate new guns that malfunction or need a "break in" period. What crap, 25 yrs ago you never heard mention of a break-in period. At 20 bucks a box i've done all the breaking in i'm going to. My 75b NEVER malfunctioned. Peace and remember the Alamo.
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Well to make a start at answering your question I would without fail and ASAP get on the phone to CZ-USA tell them what's happening and I can state with all candor that they WILL see that the issue is resolved. What you describe is beyond a doubt a major factory issue and the folks at CZ-USA are stand up folks.
And as far as the question of how many were made, I am pretty sure the technical term that most accurately answers your question is "A Bunch" The CZ-40 B came about because back when Colt was still Colt and not some other companies subdivision, Colt got together with CZUB and worked out a plan for CZ to make a .40 Caliber pistol for them and Colt would sell it under the Model Name Colt Z-40. Colt wanted CZ to design the frame as a clone for the 1911 and asked for a couple minor modifications to the pieces parts inside, as near as I understand the events; the entire deal was done on a handshake and a promise. CZ went into production with a couple small mods that Colt asked for and started assembling and shipping. Unfortunately Colt and it's crediters (IE Money grubbing Leaches) got into it and Colt lost. And forcing Colt to break the contract with CZ after only approx 800 of the Colt Z-40's made it to the States. CZ had beau coup finished pistols and parts and didn't see the point in scraping everything and losing money. So they erased the Colt-Z40 designation off all the slides they still had and after making a couple modest changes to the design, proceeded to rebrand the pistol as the CZ 40 B, using every last bit of the parts all ready on hand to start off the line.
Pretty much every single CZ 40 B from that time was actually a Colt Z-40 except in name. Keep in mind that this pistol (under either brand name) was very well recived and it worked like a charm with a smooth as silk triger pull. As Colt Z-40 part supplies ran down CZ was making more to their specs and continuing the line to this day. It still has a wonderful trigger pull, and heft and control and is pretty dang accurate. How you ended up with what you got is beyond me, but every company in the world has had a bad day and things just occasionally get missed. It happens, and I do not gainsay your right to be offended. But please if you haven't allready done so call CZ-USA and let them address the problem.
Note: Personally I am not in any way enamored of the .40 cal round. Frankly I think it, and the 10mm are answers to questions never asked. THAT HOWEVER is my very own personal opinion. And that said, if I had the money to spend, I would buy a CZ 40 B in a heartbeat for 2 reasons. First off; it's won at least 2 World or National competitions in its class, and second; at least one of the Associations I am a member of (IPSC, IDPA) has a class that calls for .40 cal. And one other thing is I actually own the actually Colt Z-40 (bought because it's a collectors weapon at first but may well start using it) and think it's a really great pistol with compelling design work and I would like to buy a CZ 75 DAO .40 S&W, and a CZ 40 B just to say I own the set. Just because you may not be fond of a certain part of a collection, thats no reason to pass up owning it, after all it is part of the collection and adds a certain Je ne sais quoi.
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Well, I think that they designed the 10mm for those times when you need a tactical nuke that you can fire from a small arm. :cheesy: I don't own any 10mm arms, but I think it's a sweet (if essentially pointless) round.
I do, however, have 2 .40 S&W firearms, and I really like the power of a .45 with the manageability of a 9mm. That being said, my .40 is pretty "snappy", and if I had the opportunity to fire it from a CZ firearm I would trade my G27 for it in a heartbeat. No questions asked.
When you get your problem sorted (and CZ hasn't built the reputation for outstanding service on outstanding arms for no reason), I have no doubt you will love that pistol.
Good hunting!
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I don't have any qualms about CZ's quality,or I would'nt own 3 of them. I have'nt shot it much [unemployed},so i'll deal with it during better times. I seen on other forums people having a similar issue with the p. Maybe I did'nt lubricate it properly or limp- wristed it etc. It was embarrasing because it happen when I was qualifying for my armed guard card. naturally I had to hear comments from the resident gurus [retards] about glock this ,glock that. If i wanted a plastic pistol I'd have got a squirtgun. Whatever their selling is always infinitely better than your pos. 3/4 of the gunshops here have attitudes.
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I am new to this site. I am here because I've come to discover and then love the CZ line. I am turning into a CZaholic. It started with a PCR. I was at a gun show and it's beauty intrigued me so I had to pick it up. From that moment on, I was hooked. I decided in less than 3 minutes that it had to be mine. This is how she looked when I got home. It also came with the factory grips but being a 1911 guy the wood caught my eye initially.
(http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o435/larryh1108/CZ75right1.jpg)
When I shot her the first time I was dead on. It felt good at the gun show and fit my hand but shooting it was what hooked me on these pistols. It was more accurate from shot 1 than by BHPs and felt better, too. Of course, I had to tweak the looks and got different grips and found some mag bases that I liked better than the factory base plates. When I was done, I was a happy camper. Here is how she looks today. I got checkered CZ thin grips. A match made in Heaven. I still love shooting my BHPs but I now reach for my PCR first.
(http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o435/larryh1108/CZ%20USA/CZPCRleft1-1.jpg)
Thus my quest began for my next CZ. I've had many .40S&W pistols in the past and could not warm up to the round. I had a Glock and I also had a 1911 commander size .40S&W and I was all over the target. I persisted thinking that practice would make me shoot tight groups but I never could. It was a mismatch and I never warmed up to the round. I sold all my .40s and figured there were enough other rounds to keep me happy.
I then came upon a CZ40P. I loved the low bore axis of the PCR and I believe that, combined with the slide being inside the frame rail, was why the felt recoil was barely anything on the PCR. I still wanted a .40S&W because it is a popular round so with the good deal and being the big brother of the PCR (alloy frame) I decided to give it a try. If I didn't like it I could sell it.
The first time I shot it I was in the 10 ring. Never before could I put shot after shot from the .40 in a tight group. It quickly became my favorite shooter, including my 1911s. The felt recoil with the 180gr ammo was very similar to the .45ACP in the 1911s. It was more of a push than a snap and I'm sure it's because of the design more than anything. This CZ40P is a dream. I didn't like the clunky look with the wide magazine base pads so, of course, I had to tinker. It's a light, compact gun that added way too much to the grip and if I had a complaint then that would be it. I was on a quest to find the right mag/base combo for my new gem. As usual, the furniture had to be wood. It's what I like. CZ makes excellent stock grips for shooting but I also like the beauty of the firearms as well. Here's my CZ40P before I toyed with it.
(http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o435/larryh1108/CZ%20USA/CZ40Pleft.jpg)
Here's the 40P after I added some wood.
(http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o435/larryh1108/CZ%20USA/40P-2.jpg)
Nice but still clunky. The extended mag bothered me so I bought various mags and baseplates from the CZ store and went to work. I also knew this was my new home defense gun so I bought an ArmaLaser for it as well because the one made for the Taurus PT series fit it perfectly. I finally came up with a mag/base combo that I could live with. Still 10 shot mags. I am very happy. I've only shot it once since the conversions but was very happy. I hope to put 500 or so downrange before I call it safe for duty. I did buy the Wolff mag springs since the factory springs caused a few failures to feed but since then they've been fine. I do not want the steel guiderod. I believe that if it ain't broke, you don't need to fix it. Here's my new .40S&W as it sits today. I cannot believe I found a gun in the 40S&W caliber that I love and shoot well. However, the CZ line is the best kept secret in the gun world. Tomorrow I pick up my CZ70 just because. I already ordered Marschal grips for it which cost almost as much as the gun itself. Once it's photo ready I'll post some pics. Meanwhile, if you have a chance to get the CZ40 series then just do it. You won't be sorry. I promise.
(http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o435/larryh1108/CZ%20USA/CZ40left1.jpg)
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Glad to have you! Nice CZs. I think we are all CZ-aholics here. Never enough.
Welcome to the forum, and we look forward to having you take part in the madness! :cheesy:
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Good job on dressing up your pistols! Did you clear-coat them or are they just shiny from oil? Anybody ever try clear coating over poly-coat?
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Anybody ever try clear coating over poly-coat?
I am very interested in an answer to this. In my time as a "Volkswagen Guy" I have done a LOT of spray painting. I'm pretty good at it. However, I would be hesitant to do any rattle-canning on a pistol.
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That's Gunslick wipes which are terrific. It's like tire shine for guns for pictures. of course, before I put them back I wipe them down but they do keep the finish like new.
As for the clearcoat question, I have done a BHP Inglis in a clearcoat made for guns from Brownells. The pics below show how I stripped the epoxy like finish off the Inglis by hand and the next picture shows it clearcoated without any other finish. Clearcoat over steel. I wanted to see how it held up. 2 years later it is still like the day I sprayed it on. The muzzle didn't burn off (I thought it would) and the frame and backstraps didn't rub off from the sweat and repeated handling. I was very surprised at how tough it is. I would use it over another finish if I needed to without worrying.
(http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o435/larryh1108/BHP/P1130334.jpg)
AFTER
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The spots on the front grip strap were from the preparation. It has to be 100% degreased and no water spots or it will discolor a bit
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I don't think there is a substitute for a glossy blue finsh;as far as looks go. But on aluminum I prefer poly-coat to anodizing. Had a couple S&W 39"s that the frames turned purple on.It was worse then seeing my girlfriend get fat. Could'nt do anything about my girlfriend, but sold those 39's forthwith. I don't know if glossy poly-coat would end looking like one of those pos "marksman" bb pistols. Nothing worse than having to undo a great "idea". Eureka! semi_gloss. Please somebody else try this first.
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Larry, why did you do that to John Browning last pistol? Hes spinning in his grave.If there is a afterlife and you meet JOHN BROWNING he will undoubtably smite you.Severly. And often.
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Mr Browning would give me a high five considering this is how I got it. :shocked:
I think he'd approve.
(http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o435/larryh1108/BHP/BHPbefore.jpg)
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No disrespect meant Larry. Its your gun to do what you want with it. What do you think of this?
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No disrespect taken. Good natured ribbing is part of the fun here. As for your pic? Well, it's tiny, that's for sure. I have no idea why a 1911 would be marked Glock. I would have a different color pattern but all that really matters is how it shoots. Being a 1911 I bet it shoots a lot better than it looks. If someone gave it to me I'd gladly take it. :wink:
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I googled "painted guns" to bust your balls.There is some weird schemes out there lol.
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There's no such thing as an ugly gun, well, except for Hi Points. Those are some ugly sumbitches.
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We agre on that! Hi-Point handguns are fugly;but if thats all you can afford its better than nothing.(all I can afford is particle board).I just bought their 9mm carbine and I like it.At the same time I picked up 2 nylon 66"s in pieces on the same backround check. For 50 bucks for the pair. 30 bucks of parts later I have 2 rifles in excellent condition. Note to self ...dont take things apart unnecessarily andespecially 2 of them!!?? Those 66's are fetching good prices,but I'm keeping them never get a deal like that again.
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Dude! that thing doesn't even qualify as a paper weight! I'm not even convinced if you qualify as anyhing short of a club and I think I would be insulting clubs! It wouldn't even make a decent Nut cracker? Mylar packing tape around the slide and the frame??? SERIOUSLY??! There is a special place in one of the 9 circles of hell for people that do that to a great weapon.
Props to you for resurrecting that fine weapon. And this is comimg from a guy that owns a majority of the models that CZ makes! I don't even own a Browning. Well done.
As for that, that thing painted in 2 different colors and white grips? :shocked: What was it? a joke for a blind person or did the owner really think someone would steal it so he had it refinished that way so even blind people wouldn't take it. At least Blind people that weren't deaf anyway. :cry:
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What a ugly thing to say
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I calls dem as I sees dem. That was one Fugly piece of dog excretment, and he gave it it's pride back.
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The only way to settle the issue about my new buddy Larrys HP is to create a poll. Asking these questions 1) Does Larry have the right to do what he wants with his own property? 2) Does Larry care what some people think of his estuff? 3) Who is Larry and why did he butcher a nice pistol? A god follow-up poll would be..1) If you meet Larr woud you say "good job" 2) Stick it up his buttwith the slide open.
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I could make the very same suggestion referencing your Hi-Point 9mm carbine but being a rightous and humble person I shall refrain for casting asparagus upon your efforts. :lipsrsealed:
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Could you vote more than once in the same poll?
As for how I got it, Numrich sold them as surplus lots. That tape took hours to get off without marring the finish. Those old Inglis pistols have quite a history. I, too, was shocked at how they were taped. I did buy 4 or 5 different sets. They shoot great, too! Here's some pics of other projects from similar original original sets. I believe that since these pictures they all have the ring hammers and lanyard rings that were correct for that period. These were still "in progress". The only refinish I did was the 2 tone lower with a current upper. However, since the picture I found a beautiful chrome finish upper from that era that fits like a glove and shoots as nice as any HP i have. I'm also working on a flood rescue BHP C series that needed a good home. I finally found a compatible slide/barrel combo that makes it shoot like it was new. The slide was lost to the flood. No pics yet but right now it is as ugly as a Hi Point. I do need to refinish the whole gun. Thinking about a hard chrome finish.
(http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o435/larryh1108/BHP/2toneleft111.jpg)
(http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o435/larryh1108/BHP/Inglisleft111.jpg)
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You can vote as muh as you want using different emails Larr. Goo Lord you're a HP refinishing machine! How did ou post those big photos my keep getting rejected? I set my camera to the lowest resolution and still rejected.
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You have to resize to a max of 700x700. It helps to crop off the wasted space too.
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If you look at your pictures on your computer then you probably can do it. Open a picture and look for an option that says edit picture. If you have that then you hit the edit picture and you shouldhave options to lighten it, darken it, crop it and resize it. Basic functions. If you mess up a picture then close it and don't save it and it goes back to the way it was. If it turns out good then save it. It is really simple once you understand it. As far as where GW is, I don't know him well enough to insult him.
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I was'nt insulting him Larry; just cuttin the fool. This s the most activity this forums had since who knows when. Anyway I'll try to post some pics of my stuff. What state are you in?
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I'm in the Chicago area. Bed time here. It's been fun. Try to find GW. He needs a friend.
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Sleep-tight hp bro
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Just a couple points I am wondering about: ( ok I Lied it was more than a couple points)
A) Exactly how am I a fool? I did NOT in any size shape of form slam Hi-Powers, nor Mr. Browning, I gave Hugh Props to larryh1108 for resurrecting that hunk of metal and returning it to it full glory.
B) I have asked a couple times that pictures get put on some sort of photo hosting site and the links to the pictures only posted here in the forum. The faster we use up space on the server the sooner I will have to pay more to keep this forum up and running. I am not going to ask anyone to donate anything for any reason to keep this forum going. If I can't afford to do so then it will simply cease to exist. and you can find someone else to insult for no reason. Pictures published directly to this forum take up a LOT of server space. And yes I have posted a couple pictures directly on here myself, but I am making the effort to NOT be a "Do as I say, and not as I do person". So you may notice that more and more of my pics are links to hosting sites.
C) For all intents and purposes I am a shut in also but I don't get on forums and insult people that are trying to help as many folks as possible learn something new, and learn something new myself.
D) You made fun of larryh1108 and his pistol so I poked a little fun at you for rebuilding the Hi-Point rifles.
E) If you really think I am a fool then feel free leave the forum. This is MY forum, I own it! And even though I have every right to be extremely put out with you for your insulting remarks I have no intention of banning you, not even asking for an apology. I spent more years than I want to remember in places I wish I could forget, defending the rights of Americans to say what they please. I can and have set rules about what can and cannot be talked about here and you have broken none of them, and I am not a hypocrite to stop you from saying your personal opinion of me. It's your right and to many of my friends died protecting that right, and I will be damned before I insult their memoires or sacrifices or their families sacrifices, by stopping you from saying your piece. oh and for the record I actually hope you don't leave the forum. Just possibly modify the 'tude a bit.
F) larryh1108 you are by any criteria that I can think of a fine craftsman, and you have done amazing work to resurrect those pistols, I think you are correct when you say Mr. Browning will High 5 you when you to meet. Which I hope is not for many years to come.
G) This entire thing has gone way off topic and I am going to lock it down, sometime tomorrow, after anyone that has anything further to say has their chance to say it.
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I never called anyone a fool GW. so the joking got a little out of hand .Big deal. Dont take everything at face value.
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I read your post just now. and then went back to do a cut and paste and in the process reread exactelly what you said. The term you used "just cuttin the fool" is new to me. Let me guess, thats your way of say you were just jerking my chain not insulting me any more than I was insulting you about the Hi-Point rifles? Is that about it? And I apoligise if that is what went down. I'm 60 and they don't let me get out much. :laugh: Besides it sorta looks like larryh1108 misunderstood your meaning as well. But ya still we are way off topic so tomorrow we move on to something new. ok?
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Nothing to apologize for. Besides it Larrys fault anyway.
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Well, I took it as busting my chops. I knew he was trying to break the ice, so-to-speak. I've been around long enough to not take internet chatter seriously. Besides, as you so eloquently stated, we all have the right to speak our mind. However, some people are thin skinned and some people just realize that it makes no difference what some stranger in a place far, far away thinks about them. Life is too short to really give a crap.
I was never offended. If he truly didn't like what I did, that's his opinion. However, I knew he was joking around in his own way even though I do not know him. My guns shown are far from perfect. A true Inglis fan will know they weren't complete to the exact way they were conceived. They'd turn up their noses, grunt and think that my guns were just guns and nothing else. They may have paid a huge sum for a perfect Inglis so nobody else's is as nice. That's how gun owners are. My guns are better than your guns. I love Brand X and you love Brand Y and neither will ever change because that's what we own. I can say a S&W revolver is better than a Colt revolver and you can say the opposite. Who is right? Both.
It's what the owner thinks.
I think my Inglis pistols are beautiful because they are mine. However, they are actually ugly with the wear spots and nasty epoxy finish, etc. I love them because they were made in 1944 and someone who is 22 may think a Glock is the end-all-be-all and that the old clunkers are dated and ugly. Who cares? Not me. Both will go bang when you pull the trigger. Both may save a life or never see more than paper. My Chevy is better than your Ford. My Honda is better than your Toyota. My Benz is better than your Beemer. Yadda, yadda, yadda. All are fine cars for their purpose. One costs $18,000 and another costs $80,000 but they both do the same thing. The same in the gun world.
I was never offended because I love how they turned out. I am not a professional refinisher. I don't have tanks, bead blasting machines, state-of-the art equiptment or a degree in microbiotics. Guys who refinish for a living will snicker and roll their eyes. Me? I shoot them and enjoy them for what they are. I have probably 40 hours in hand polishing the paint off the Inglis shown above. Someone with the right equiptment could do it in 2 hours. So what? It was my time, at my pace and for my gun. It shoots like a dream and is 65 years old. Their Inglis models sit in their safe where they look at it and are so proud they paid $XXX dollars for it and they are just as happy as I am. To each, their own.
So, sorry for the long message but it's been quiet here. I am sorry I used a lot of bandwidth for the pictures. In the future I'll post links and change these to links if you wish. I'm like most guys and I don't read the directions. I don't need to because I am not disruptive nor do I insult, belittle and have never been kicked off of anything. I don't read the rules because I don't break rules. I am the owner/moderator of a Chicago sports talk board so I know what it takes to keep things in line. I promise to be a good boy. :cool:
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Hey we all made good points, so lets just call this no harm no foul. Ya I admit I take to many things way to seriously but it's a habit I got into to stay alive and I never have been able to break even though I know it and really try to let things just slide off. I'm just so old I have rust and some of the gears maybe stuck. But unless you were spit on and called baby killer, and had to fight your way through a US airport coming home from a war zone, especially an undeclared war zone, or been ordered to travel in civilian cloths, like you were ashamed of being a soldier, it's hard for folks to under stand just how personally us old geezers can take things. Then add into the mix different slang from different regions, both nationally and internationally and ya I get snarky because I don't know what it means and take it 180 degrees from the way it was meant.
My bad and I do apologise to you both.
Lets just have some fun here, talk shop and see what we can learn from each other?
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Hey GW, you weren't bad either! Like us, just expressing yourself.
You only have a few years on me. I lived thru the same crap from VN.
I was 1 year (young) from the draft. I was #74 on my draft card. I still
have it to this day. The draft ended the year I was going in.
It was a horrible time in our generation. To this day, Jane Fonda should
be sitting in prison somewhere. I guess Americans can forgive and forget.
However, WWII vets never got over the latest Japanese or German invasions... cars and electronics. You would be hard pressed to find a WWII vet driving a Honda, Toyota or BMW and rightfully so. I cannot begin to imagine what they went thru with the theatres of D-Day and the Pacific islands invasions. Incredible history. You have every right to be wary. You earned that right.
The way it was in the 70s is why I never became my true passion. I wanted to be an LEO my entire life until I saw how the returning vets and the "pigs" were treated. These wonderful hippies and flower children are able to live in their comfy homes enjoying the peace because of the guys and gals who served our country. They can live a reasonably safe life because of the "pigs" who protect them. Shame on every one of them who spat on a soldier or LEO. They are hippocrites. As you can see, it still angers me yet i was not the one being spat upon... God Bless you and those like you who stood for what was right. You deserve every cranky bone in your body! : )
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Gun show in Vegas this weekend. Its 10 bucks to get in plus parking. I decided to sell those 2 nylon 66's. Or trade for ammunition. You know I do't go shooting anymore; the hassle factor cancels out the fun. There is a plenty of ranges but 15 bucks to shoot? Some women rented a gun at one of the ranes here and committed suicide.Now you have someone watching you like a hawk. I like going out in th desert plinking but theve killed that too.I think I'll pare own my collection to the good stuff (cz) and get rid of the rest.It hurts to see what has happened to our country,I dont want to get political or will start another fued lol.
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I'm sorry you no longer have a really fun place to go shooting anymore. I always hated to do it alone. Heard about the woman, that was just wild. Just have een really pissed at somone that worked there to do it there and cause them that much grief. But then who knows. Good luck selling the weapons I hope you get a fair if not really good price for them.
So it's time to bring this topic to a close it's so far off the orginal topic, that I think we at least need visa to cross from the orginal to here.
Oh BTW I don't allow Politics or Religion to get started here, since it just causes no end of problems for everyone, and we are an International Forum and so politics and religion is going to start a flame war faster than you can say forum. We skated pretty damn close as it is/was to politics, but since neither I nor larryh1108 or you actually said anything about they hows and whys we are in the clear. :grin: I allways wanted to go to the Gun show in Vegas. back in the 80's there was a SOF Convention every year that we went to, but that went away. Todays Gun show must be pretty tame compared to watching about a hundred or so folks carrying every weapon you can imagine through the casino to get to the actuall convention hall. Ever single guard and Vegas LEO was there keeping the aisle we used to walk down to the convention clear of the civilians, and watching the looks on the civilians faces as we hauled Assualt Weapon, SAWs, .50's, at least one LARS and everything else. BTW Weapons are strickly forbiden on the gaming floors and you go straight to jail. But for a week that rule sorta got titled sideways.