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Re: Friction Coefficient Comparison, Lubriplate SFL-0, Break Free CLP
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2018, 01:03:20 PM »
Update per submitted samples:
https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=99122.msg774423#msg774423


10/23/2018 UPDATE: Break Free CLP retested after drying now tops heap of non-greasy lubes tested thus far.
https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=99122.msg775188#msg775188


Send me a PM for mailing address if you'd like your World-Beater favorite lube tested/ranked and can figure a way to send me a well-sealed sample with "proper" identification.
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Re: Friction Coefficient Comparison, Lucas Gun Oil, "dry"
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2018, 03:29:29 PM »
The improvement from wet to dry of Break Free CLP motivated a retest of Lucas Gun Oil to see if the evaporation of vehicle might similarly improve its EP friction performance. The Break Free CLP had actually dried, to a "P" state but the Lucas Gun Oil didn't. The best you could say is that it could be rubbed "nearly" dry. Undaunted, I ran the test anyhoo and Lo- a new non-greasy champ, albeit not by a lot.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1F3D865fKLe87GLkanA49uq0vuzTlB9vV
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Re: Friction Coefficient Comparison, EEZOX (dry) & Amsoil Severe Gear ("dry")
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2018, 12:51:04 PM »
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1VvttehQ1nxgEQFerSikWK7Iunb1hcofJ
EEZOX improves with drying, from CoF 0.17 to 0.16.
Amsoil Severe Gear (like Lucas Gun Oil), doesn't really dry, but can be wiped to near-dry, in which state (against bone-dry ball bearings at start of test in this case because one became dislodged and had to be cleaned to re-Superglue) its CoF lost a bit of ground from 0.13 (wet) to 0.14 ("dry").
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Re: Friction Coefficient Comparison, FP-10, Weapon Shield, Anti-Sieze
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2019, 09:48:46 PM »
Reality is most shooters use either what they get for free or what they get from their team or sponsor.  I've got several different types of oil at home, some are match sample and others are sponsored stuff. I still use them all and just about any oil on the market will do for handgun shooting.  The only think I wont use is grease or Frog Lube as a lubricant or cleaner, unless its the barrel.  If I had a choice it would be Lucas or Weapon Shield.  Great job comparing the different oils, it was an interesting read.

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Re: Friction Coefficient Comparison, Amsoil Dominator 15W-50 Racing Oil
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2019, 08:54:13 AM »
This update is more for bikers than anything else, but poking around the Amsoil website I came to understand that there was a 4-stroke version of their top-of-the-line Dominator Racing Oil brand, and wondered if indeed it might be a better choice for my vintage/WCS-custom SR500G
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9Nrjk17trvjQ3F5Qm9TUjRVdEVacnJCTk9qT2VOUmZKMVhj
than the 20W-50 V-Twin product that their Signature had so thoroughly whupped on my bespoke EP Friction Test sled: it almost seems like both Amsoil and Mobil 1 have had to "detune" their V-Twin offerings from what one would expect for the rigors of air-cooled rear cylinder thermal duty, perhaps to favor a weak link such as the clutch in our most iconic Heavy Duty motorcycle brand.
Anyway I procured a quart ($14.00, Auto Value special order, same day delivery)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1iR4gUpJ8lUj5V0pRfTXOgUcOhqXoYr4N
and ran the test, which with practice has come to easily include ~100 stiction transitions (i.e., good data).
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1BPAbzQnIo1lopzDjM4MxkCw1i_ffemDf
The Dominator edged out Signature, as one would hope, but not by much, especially in view of the viscosity grade difference.
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Re: Friction Coefficient Comparison, Amsoil Z-Rod, Amsoil ATF Signature Series
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2020, 01:41:11 PM »
I spotted a couple of new Amsoil products on my Auto Value retailer's shelf that seemed to warrant being Extreme Pressure Coefficient of Friction tested.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=15o5gdLxiJnqR35CSXRPCgLHT1nDwBgTy
Amsoil Z-Rod 20W-50 was characterized as having copious Zinc for protection of flat tappet hot rod etc. engines.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1XFJOBUNVDTPc8a8lkDjek3VwooyXmoKe
And Amsoil ATF Signature Series (which smells exactly like ATF usually does) offered promise of extended transmission life.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1XF8rrTF_Q74mS4km5EV_8fAXLYsvx-eN
The Z-Rod didn't compare with Dominator, but the ATF Signature Series clearly bested the Amoco Ford spec product of yore while offering perhaps the lowest practical level of viscosity on the market, a potential competitive edge for 2-stroke racing engine gearboxes.
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Re: Friction Coefficient Comparison, G96 Synthetic CLP Gun Oil
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2020, 09:18:13 PM »
Based on Amazon reviews I procured the "Non-Bio" Synthetic Oil variant of G96, which seemingly garnered more favor than the Bio CLP of the same brand, which was characterized as principal rival (military-certified) of Break Free CLP. Here are "wet" test results, notso...
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1PssBeWL6Ab1YSuR7xsUu4Z_qICwXYZr5


05/03/2020 Update:
For consistency, here's the product image
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1f5qaprhpMsyv1VhP8Ao307b7AlAF4S7T


And also for CLP test consistency, I retested after thorough dryout period, meh... it actually went backwards!
https://drive.google.com/open?id=19nwyjYjfFoKlVdK4obr41SqO8DUxp37-


So Break Free CLP, the "other" Mil-spec product, remains best-in-class by far.
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