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Thoughts on the P-01?
« on: February 13, 2011, 09:01:28 PM »
Hello everyone.  I am new to the forum and to the CZ.  I don't actually own one yet but it is one of the two finalists on my now short list.


I have been shooting around 4 years now and can tell I am getting better at knowing what I like, but this is only range shooting....no IDPA stuff.  I currently own 2 Sig's (P229 and Mosquito) and a Kahr CW9 for my daily carry.  This summer My dad and I will be attending a 4 day handgun school in Nevada called FrontSight.  I am really excited about this because not only will I learn to be more confident in my weapon and skills but it gives me an excuse to buy a new gun :D   I don't have 2 of the same caliber and when you go to this school you nave to bring two guns, a main one and a backup.  I also have to bring around 800 rounds of ammo so I don't want to buy 800 rounds of 9mm and 800 rounds of .40.  My pockets are not that deep.


This background brings me to this point in time.  My short list was the Sig P226, Beretta 92FS, Beretta PX4 and a CZ.  I have access to some version of all of these guns except the CZ.  I couldn't get a 226 so I shot a 229 9mm instead.  I am super accurate with the Sig ( at about 20-25 feet can do around a 2" group....I know others can do better but that was all I can do with 100 rounds and a gun that wasn't mine).  The PX4 got a little wider of a group and the 92 was a little better than the PX4, but not as good as the Sig.


The gun store here had 2 CZ's, a 75 B and a P-01.  Since they were new I couldn't shoot one all I could do was dry fire.  The P-01 was like butter in my hand, I mean that thing feels freaking awesome.  I would come close to venture saying it feels better than my dad's HK P30.  They have a really good price as well.


After all of my reading over the last few weeks is one thing for sure that these guns need:  a trigger job.  I have gone onto CZ Custom and see that it is about $160 for this to be done.  My question here is....has anyone had this done and if so how much of a difference did it make?  In this regard would it just be easier to buy a pistol from the custom shop in the first place with some of these mods done to it already?


After the trigger job is done what does it do for accuracy?  I read this post http://www.czforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=132.0 for a little insite on this as well.  I would love to do something with IDPA because it just sounds fun and you can get better with your skills.


If I would be considering keeping this gun for range use or handgun classes or IDPA would I do better considering a different model like the SP-01 since it has a longer barrel and more capacity? 


Where is everyone getting a Blackhawk style Serpa holster from since they don't specifically carry one?


I am sorry for rambling but I just want to make an informed decision before I go out and drop some hard saved cash.


Thanks everyone

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Re: Thoughts on the P-01?
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2011, 10:46:19 PM »
     Well inexpensive is good and I try never to pass on the opportunity. But as they say "You get what you pay for" yes he no doubt is more than capable of swapping out springs and parts and yes he may even compete himself. The question is how much doe he know about the CZ Pistols and in particular YOUR CZ? I have a gentleman here in Orlando that checks out every singly weapon I buy online and I trust him implicitly. But he works on a Lot of guns so when I want or need an answer to a specific question I always call either the folks at CZ-USA or CZCustom for their advice. Then depending on just what it is I need I either send one of them the weapon in question for the mods or simply buy the parts they suggest and have my guy do the work. I like to think I know my limitations and gunsmithing IS one of those limitations. This may well be the wrong attitude but I have this philosophy: to wit (or is that half wit? I never can keep those two straight) I am more than qualified to drive executive protection, but that’s where things stop. I do not and have never thought I needed to know how to build a motor or even fix it to do my job. Or even know anything else about the other mechanical parts, Otherwise what’s the point of having specialists? You can take this attitude to far but I honestly don’t think anyone can know everything about one subject no matter how old they live to be nor how much they study.
     My point is this. You are apparently a shooter and either by genetics or serious input from your dad you know the what, where and how of being a shooter and you are willing to do what it takes to be a GREAT shooter. There are folks that specialize in everything there is to know about a subject and that’s fine. I think knowing something about a lot of things and in depth knowledge of something’s is better. I know that with any pistol no matter where you get it or who made it there is always a breaking in period, But I have found that over all with rare exceptions CZ’s have a much better learning curve and start off close to perfect than most any other weapons. Yes everyone one has their favorite Something, In my case it’s CZ’s I own over thirty of them in assorted sizes. Every one is a 9mm. I bought a matched set of CZ Shadow Customs directly from CZCustom and they are both nail drivers right from the gitgo. You can in fact buy the same exact weapon cheaper from another dealer, I didn’t. Your choice, I have the CZ Shadow, Compact, RAMI, CZ .308 Counter Sniper Rifle and so on. Some had a longer break in time than others. As in getting used to the trigger take up. But they all smoothed out with use. In your case since you are going to the Shooting school, I would suggest that you but a Custom Modified weapon straight from CZCustom or even CZ-USA. When I started carrying I was a Ruger fan big time, Then I discovered CZ’s and have never found any other pistol that out did or out performed a CZ off the shelf Pistol. As good as but never Better than. I am 60 now and I still to this day carry a CZ every single day, with total confidence that I will hit what I aim at and that it will function that way every time as long as I take care of it. Keep it cleaned and oiled.
I hope this helps more than confuses since it’s more than you asked for.
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Re: Thoughts on the P-01?
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2011, 10:58:50 PM »
   OK the short version. Go with the 75. I would suggest the Shadow or the Shadow Custom but the P-01 seems to be the one that calls to you and that is in MHO what matters most. The customization that CZCustom does will smooth out the trigger, and swaps out the recoil springs gives you less creep and in general making shooting the weapon even more fun. I might suggest a set of Hogue Wrap around grips with the finger groves but that’s a different call but you may find it makes controlling your weapon just that much easier.
 
     Keep in mind the more things your mind, body, hand has to coordinate and control the less accurately you shoot. Or rather the longer it takes you to control the weapon and make it the nail driver it is.
 
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Re: Thoughts on the P-01?
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2011, 08:11:25 AM »
Thanks for the replies Ghost.  I am the same way about a ton of things.  I like to call myself a Jack of all trades....master of none.  I can shoot a gun just fine and clean it to the best of my ability, but if it comes down to needing some type of "deep clean" I don't feel confident enough to take it apart in fear of not being able to get it back together correctly.

The P-01 did feel better in my hand, but if I am looking  more long term it might be beneficial to go with a longer barrel version for accuracy.  I am a pretty indecisive person and I think I will feel that way until either I convince myself that the CZ is the one to try out or just do it and see what happens.

In your collection what is your favorite CZ pistol and why?  Might be a long answer but it could be interesting :)

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Re: Thoughts on the P-01?
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2011, 12:08:29 PM »
I Have had both a PCR & P01 - getting the P01 on advice  that the barrel flip was less than the PCR.
I found the barrel flip of the P01 to be as bad as the PCR ,Sold both
 
I have shot many guns in that catagory and found  other Brands to be more stable for me.
 
That said, I am spoiled, I shoot  full size  75 B both in poly coat and Stainless - these are my guns of  choice I like a heavier gun - so my review is slanted away from alloy guns.
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Re: Thoughts on the P-01?
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2011, 12:10:17 PM »
    Good question. My personal Favorite is actually the CZ 75 Pre-Ban 9 mike mike. It was the first Auto I ever fired that I instantly loved and didn't jam, or at least not like any other Auto I ever used, which is why up until that point I only ever carried Rugers. There is only about one way I know of to screw up a wheel gun and that is to use crap reloads or really cheap ammo. The reason being is that in both cases you will have primers that are not seated flush with the base of the cartridge and that will jam the cylinder almost every single time.
    Anyway I have carried a CZ 75 since the very early 80's as not only my duty weapon but as my CCW also. I'm 60 now and I still own that original CZ but I have given it to my daughter. I still have other CZ 75 Pre-Bans that I am carrying now. But I also have a CZ 52 7.62 x 25 which is unbelievable! It also is a Pre-ban for a lack of other description. But it shoots like a cannon without the recoil. And I love the 82 as a back up since it’s small and easier to conceal. The only drawback I can think of is that it uses the Makarav 9 x 18 round which is somewhere between a .380 on steroids and a small 9. Then again I use Russian FMJ rounds and I tend to shoot reasonably well so I figure as a backup weapon it’s perfect. The CZ 83 is the post ban version but it shoots .380 and I have low confidence in that caliber doing the job.
      Then again you have seen the Twins and those are a whole ‘nother ballgame. Not what I would call a CCW weapon at all. As I said at some point I am going to be sending all the CZ’s to Angus and his crew or magicians and have them tuned up mostly because I am 60 and then tune up’s will help keep my skills up to where I can live with them. And have faith in my ability to still nail exactly what I am aiming at.
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Re: Thoughts on the P-01?
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2011, 12:20:40 PM »
I Have had both a PCR & P01 - getting the P01 on advice  that the barrel flip was less than the PCR.
I found the barrel flip of the P01 to be as bad as the PCR ,Sold both
 
I have shot many guns in that catagory and found  other Brands to be more stable for me.
 
That said, I am spoiled, I shoot  full size  75 B both in poly coat and Stainless - these are my guns of  choice I like a heavier gun - so my review is slanted away from alloy guns.
Try before you buy.
 
FYI

   
  I agree basically with your premise edisonman  but with a caveat. I have a Stainless Limited edition but I generally tend not to carry it as a CCW because it can (even brushed like it is) reflect light and in my experience that is a low quality thing. But you are correct I like a heaver weapon myself. Which is why I was suggesting earlier that he should give a look at the Shadows. They are a rocking piece of hardware, have a light rail under the frame (which I won't use for the same reason I don't carry weapons’ that can even remotely reflect light) But some folks love. No one says the Rail Has to be used but it's there if they want to. Also keep in mind those Hogue Wrap arounds I mentioned.
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Re: Thoughts on the P-01?
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2011, 02:37:56 PM »
I Have had both a PCR & P01 - getting the P01 on advice  that the barrel flip was less than the PCR.
I found the barrel flip of the P01 to be as bad as the PCR ,Sold both
 
I have shot many guns in that catagory and found  other Brands to be more stable for me.
 
That said, I am spoiled, I shoot  full size  75 B both in poly coat and Stainless - these are my guns of  choice I like a heavier gun - so my review is slanted away from alloy guns.
Try before you buy.
 
FYI

   
  I agree basically with your premise edisonman  but with a caveat. I have a Stainless Limited edition but I generally tend not to carry it as a CCW because it can (even brushed like it is) reflect light and in my experience that is a low quality thing. But you are correct I like a heaver weapon myself. Which is why I was suggesting earlier that he should give a look at the Shadows. They are a rocking piece of hardware, have a light rail under the frame (which I won't use for the same reason I don't carry weapons’ that can even remotely reflect light) But some folks love. No one says the Rail Has to be used but it's there if they want to. Also keep in mind those Hogue Wrap arounds I mentioned.


Ok...newbie here...what is a PCR?

I just don't see how the muzzle flip could be that bad on an all alloy gun.  I am thinking the P01 would be alot like a Sig 229 9mm.  I find it very controllable.  Am I missing something?  I am always willing to learn something new here so if I am not getting it let me know.

I really like the two tone Shadow custom *drool*

I just like a gun with a rail...not sure why...just think they look better :)

I am so so on the Hogue grips.  I have the set you are referring to on my P229 .40 and I am borderline taking them off because they feel to fat.  Granted then are super comfortable.

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Re: Thoughts on the P-01?
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2011, 03:02:37 PM »
     PCR = Czech national police.
     As far as the muzzle flip issue, well if you have experience with it and you think it's something you can control to the point it's a non-issue then as I said before pick the weapon you like. Every single person on this forum or any other one can give you any number of plus and minus reasons for ANY weapon you decide on. I am not saying that getting advice is a bad thing or the wrong thing to do, only a complete fool doesn’t' ask for advice on something they are not familiar with and somehow you don’t strike me as a complete fool or a fool period. I might suggest you look around where you live for other gun store and or range listings and spend some time an effort (I didn’t say it wasn’t going to be either boring or possible a waste of effort) and see if anyone has a CZ in the model you want as a rental to try out. You could always possibly find a better price if not the pistol to try out.
     The grips, well that again is totally personal. Maybe the grip/back strap on the CZ you want is slimmer than the pistol you have the grips on now and they would work better on the CZ? Then again maybe not, can’t know until you try.
 
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Re: Thoughts on the P-01?
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2011, 01:51:29 PM »
Ok, lets begin here.

I named the P-01 for CZUB upon their request to name the then secret gun.

Know that I was very surprised to see P-01 stamped on my gun that was one of first
into the USA.

CZUB decided to use the 75D Compact P-01 name for the guns over there and what
would be the issue gun for the Czech Police.

The P-01 had a forged alloy frame and a accessory rail over the then standard PCR models
that had served both the Police (PCR), Czech Army (ACR) and CZUB so well.

That said.

with over 20 years of shooting CZs of all flavors.

The P-01 is the most bulletproof of all CZ pistols, save for the 75 Classics.

We just never heard of problems with them.

The same can be said about the PCR and P-06, but more people buy and embrace
the P-01 than those other models.

Much like the Glock 19 that it is compared to by many.

A P-01 does everything right.

You might get a bit more accuracy from a 75B series, or 75SA, but or most it
won't matter.

No problems about burning hot +P ammo through them either.




More info:

http://www.angelfire.com/amiga/hakan/czp01.html
www.CZforum.com


http://czzone.blogspot.com/



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Re: Thoughts on the P-01?
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2011, 07:44:09 AM »
That P-01 with the P-01 Grips is SHINY! Really that has got to be one of the most shinest weapons I have ever seen. Matching grips. ANd you got to name it so how Shiny is that?
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Re: Thoughts on the P-01?
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2011, 10:23:53 AM »
I am still here :) 

Thanks for that info and the link to that Angelfire site.  I need to know one thing....where can I find the P-01 Duo Tone?  http://www.angelfire.com/amiga/hakan/p1large.JPG

I want that one!


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Re: Thoughts on the P-01?
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2011, 10:24:58 AM »
What about holsters?  I would need a retention holster for what I am going to be doing with my dad and I love the Blackhawk Serpa holsters but I know they don't make a specific one for the P-01.  Who does?

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Re: Thoughts on the P-01?
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2011, 10:37:42 AM »
I've seen a satin nickel/blued dou tone locally.
 
No idea on retention holsters.
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Re: Thoughts on the P-01?
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2011, 10:39:50 AM »
See my General discussion post on the subject. No idea if or when it could or will work but maybe you and CZ-RAMI have ideas.
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