Help with mag problems

[mustang88_357mag]

hello everyone im new to this site a lil about me i am a marine corps grunt i have been for 6 years been to iraq twice and a meu once. and i am currently living in peoples replublic of california lol anyways my question is i have a 97b with 4 mags 2 factory and 2 mecgar mags the 2 factory mags i have wont run in the gun at all every time i send the slide home it nosedives the round onto the feed ramp the 2 mecgar mags i have work perfectially so i was wondering if anyone else has had this problem and if there are any other mags out there i could buy since the mecgar ones are very hard to find and i dont want anyother factory once becuse of my problem.   on my cz i am runing wolf +10% mag springs on all my mags and i am also running a 18lb recoil spring and also a full lenght guide rod also night sights and a trigger job so if anyone has any info on my problem please hit me up thank you all have a good day

[b5.5dan]

First of all, Welcome to CZ FORUM! We're delighted to have you here!
Second, thank you for your service. We appreciate it.

Now on to your problem. 
MUCH better minds than mine will chime in, but I would want to know more about the gun itself first. Is it new? If not, how old? It's odd that the Mec-Gear work and the factory ones don't. However (especially if there is some time on the weapon), it sounds like mag springs. Has it been stored for long periods fully loaded? Did they ever work properly?
I bought a couple of mags from some folks here. Not sure if they have what you need, but you could email them. They were great.
http://www.czforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=392.0

Anyway, I'm having a similar "nosedive" problem with my RAMI, but I've been informed that that is a feed ramp issue. I would love to find out what's going on with yours.

Again, welcome here!

[mustang88_357mag]

the gun was made in 2001 i think and as not been shot hardly at all i am the third owner of the gun and the guy i bought it from bought it for idpa but had the mag problems and never used it it sat around for a few years before hedecied to sell it the mag springs are brand new i put them in myself the problem seems to me to be that the factory mags feedramp does not angle the nose of the round up enough but i am by far no expert also the factroy mags are very tight when i load any brand of rounds in them after about 7 or 8 rounds they just dont want to go down any further i thought it was cause the rounds were to long so i shortend the c.o.l when i did some reloads and same problem with factory mags.. the mec-gar ones work fine but when i send the slid home on the factory the slid catches the rim of the round and as it trys to strip it out of the mag the nose dives down and hits the bottom of the feed ramp

[mustang88_357mag]

and thank you for the warm welcome forgot to say that

[b5.5dan]

No problem! I only wish I could be of more help!
This has me intrigued though... I have 3 CZs, and they are all amazing. However, my "new-to-me" RAMI (And pretty new overall) has, as I said, nearly the same problem. I wish I had some off-brand mags to try on her.

So, ideally, the best thing to do would be to solve the problem by making sure that CZ mags feed. However, if you need new mags until then (or if it's really not a big deal), I would check the usual suspects, i.e. Brownell, Promag Industries, Midway USA... Here's a link to promags mags for the 97...
http://www.promagindustries.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MAG+13
Looks like a decent price for mags, but it says limited stock so you should grab them now. Maybe yours needs a feed ramp polishing as well...

[mustang88_357mag]

would u happen to know if my cz is still under warrenty i dont know how long they have warrenty's for and if they are transferable.. also do you know any aftermarket barrel makers i.e. storm lake, barsto ect

[b5.5dan]

As I said, better minds than mine will step in. I'm very new to this game. That being said, I would imagine that if it were under warranty, it would be transferable if you had the receipt. However, I don't know about a 10 year warranty. It's possible though. Also, there are probably barrel makers, but I would recommend someone who does CZ work as their primary trade. A gent named Angus sounds to be pretty amazing. Go to CZ USA, look for the, oh, here it is...
http://czcustom.com/
Figured the link would be better than my instructions. I wish I could afford to have some work done, but I also wish I could afford a 97! "The Big-Bore Brother of the 75... Someday... 

[mustang88_357mag]

yea i was looking there right before i read your reply lol.. it seems like the only work he does thats avdertised on his site is trigger jobs and sight instalations but i am going to continue to search google lol
 

[b5.5dan]

If I might ask, what are you looking for in a barrel? Gawd, I want a trigger job on my RAMI... Anyway, so, yeah. The barrel. I look at the way my 75B shoots, and I can't imagine any improvement that isn't directly related to my skill...

After a quick search (history major... I'm a research master  ) it looks like no one is really offering much in the way of 97 race barrels. This company...
http://www.bitsofpieces.com/
Told someone that they would one-off one, but the cost would be ugly. I would imagine you are expecting that though, so give them a call! Oh... Didn't read far enough... About 400 Canadian dollars for the job. That's about $405. 

I don't know how much more I can look around. All of this research for your issue has me convinced I need a 97! "Honey... I was thinking... Instead of that vacation next month I feel that we really are in dire need of a CZ 97. Not for me, darling, but for us..."

She's likely use it on me. But hey, they come with barrel locks, right? I can just fit it at the store!

[mustang88_357mag]

lol i dont really need a barrel, it shoots great but its just one more thing i can do to it ya know i would be more intrested in a aftermarket barrel bushing my father in law works for nasa as a mechanical engineer and he cnc and does all the fabing stuff all the time at work so i know he would be able to but i dont know if he can as far as being allowed lol. i dunno this whole mag problem has gotten me pretty discouraged from keeping my 97b i mean 2 out of 4 mags work great and the bladtech holster works great also but i dunno i am thinking of getting the barrel feedramp polished and see if that helps but again i dunno

[b5.5dan]

DO NOT GET RID OF YOUR CZ! 

Sorry to yell... hahaI would be discouraged too. I am discouraged about the little issue I'm having with my RAMI, but I have other CZs and know what amazing firearms they are. They are made in a factory, like anything else, and some have the odd "foible". I'm surprised the "smarter especially with guns" guys haven't chimed in. They will be able to help. Wait. What am I saying?! Yeah Dude, it's broke. Beyond repair. I'll be doing you a great favor by offering you $150 for it. I'll even pay FFL. 

Seriously though, if the aftermarket mags work, then the gun works. And remember, you bought it knowing that it had these issues. Did the guy you bought it from ever race with it, or did he never get around to it? Could be that the guy he got it from was a moron and the mags have bent lips at the top or something of that nature. See if your FLFPS (frindly local firearms parts store) has a factory mag you could test. A feed ramp polish couldn't cost too much, and if you are comfy with arms (and it sounds like you are), you could youtube the feed ramp polish and do it yourself.

It's something simple. (Relatively) precision parts are just failing to meet just so, and it will be an easy fix that will land you a marvelous sidearm. I really think you will be happy once you get this all sorted out

[DARK ALCHEMIST32]

For a person that loves the 97b. I would be a crime to get rid of one once you have one in the hand. The feed ramp sounds like the problem. Also the mags might be messed up. Better yet as i'm rereading what you said I think the mags are done for. Get some more mags for it and see if it will run. I have factory mags for my 97 & I haven't had to many problems with it at all. You might have to get a new follower. That might take care of the problem. CZ do have them, but Iwouldn't want to pay the shiping on that part. CZ gives you about 5 years to send it back to them if you have any problems with it.

[b5.5dan]

So perhaps you can help me. I have EVERYTHING for my RAMI P except a receipt. What can I do?

[DARK ALCHEMIST32]

If you have all of that then I don't know what to tell you. The 97 is a great steel gun. The 2075 is something that I haven't had the chance to check out yet. Most of the time it's something as simple as the follower or the feed ramp. Let someone that really knows the gun tell you more about it. It really might be something really small & you'll be mad as hell when you find out what it is. Oh yeah, sometimes the stronger springs in the mags will become a problem. They push up in a spot to hard and then you have that diving problem. Had that problem with my springfield 1911 mags. Good luck.

[GhostWarrior]

     Hey everyone. Sorry I have been tied up trying to figure out how the last MS Update wiped out my data files (.PST) after the reboot. It has not been a fun project and I still can't get them back. I really hate to pay MS to fix their screw up but at this point I think I will have to. So much for being an IT Specialist (Hardware/network) 

    OK, so here's the deal: First off allow me to add my Welcome to the forum to b5.5dan's Welcome. And a thank you for your service and welcome home also getting back to your loved ones. I belonged to a different Group but I won't hold your being a Marine (mind you I said a Marine NOT an ex-Marine, as there is no such thing) against you.  We try to help everyone and we all I think are here to learn things from each other. So I hope you enjoy your membership and someone can help as have both b5.5dan and DARK ALCHEMIST32.

     I am going to agree with DARK ALCHEMIST32 about the Mags and say bag them. BUT before you do that, I would like to advise you to send them and the pistol to either CZ-USA or CZCustom. Both do excellent work and they are straight shooters. Not the least expensive to be sure, but they stand behind their work. And CZCustom does just about any thing that can be done to a CZ, (any CZ). I bought a matched set of Custom Competition Shadows from CZCustom, and I more of less refer to them as Wizards one and all when it comes to mods and custom work. Not that there is any moss growing on the guys at CZ-USA by any means, it's just that Angus owns CZCustom and is the Team Captain of the CZ-USA Shooting team, and has collected an amazing group of people that specialize in that area. It certainly wouldn't hurt to call either or both places. And I am almost positive that either one or both of them either have spare barrels or will tell you who may have what you want.
 
     I also am very sure that if you have the ramp polished it would do wonders towards resolving that feed issue. Also, it could also be besides the ramp needing polishing that you may have to look into different ammunition, because of changing out the springs. From everything I have picked up on so far feed issues have come down to ramps, ammo, and springs. Occasionally mags are part of the problem, so I would take the guys suggestions about buying a factory mag and then comparing your old ones to the new factory one and see if there is anything that sticks out as being nonconforming.

     I have to say that I do not own a 97 but I do own about 9 or 10 different models of CZ's and between my experience with those models and from what I have read both here and other forums. The ramp seems to get the brunt of the blame for feed issues.

   I hope this has been of some help to you, and Basically I haven't really said anything different from what the guys have allready said, but I threw in my 2 cents because I know the folks and what they can do better than the average CZ owner. (Don't quote me on that. I just think I know them better.) Welcome again and Semper Fi (with all due Respect)