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Title: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on December 28, 2011, 06:49:32 PM
OK, Ladies and Gentlemen!
After a great suggestion from SirGillian, I thought that we could use a place to post the pictures of of our days out. This will be Stickied near the top of the pictures forum, and I hope to see all of your photos!

SO, let's try to standardize it somehow. Pictures should, of course, contain targets (whatever you were shooting at), maybe the gun, and if you are comfortable doing so, a pic of yourself. Let's see "Team CZForum.com!"  :grin:
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: Angryvikingman on December 30, 2011, 08:29:01 AM
Oh, I'll try and post some pics when I get home from work.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: GhostWarrior on December 30, 2011, 01:51:09 PM
Bah Humbug! No pictures!  :cool:  I don't got to show you no stinking pitures! :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on December 30, 2011, 07:26:41 PM
Well, I took the 75B and the SP-01 out today. I didn't shoot very well, but I am attributing at least part of that to the fact that I got 4 shots into my hip socket about an hour before I shot.  :cry:
Anyway, here are some pics. I forgot to change the targets for the pictures (In case you are wondering why teh groups look identical for both guns  :tongue: ), but I like the picture anyway. I'll fix that tomorrow. The target is for the 75B, but the SP-01 groups were about the same. As I said, this is not my best day at the range...

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7144/6603646317_5a5f5d25f4_z.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7162/6603647745_20251ca552_z.jpg)

Again, I don't shoot TONS better than this, but it's usually a little better. Please don't make fun of me...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: GhostWarrior on December 30, 2011, 07:45:32 PM
           Old son, you are not getting any hassle out of me. That is a damn nice target. All in all, you put apparently more than one round in the yellow and the rest all in a green area close enough to the yellow that unless they were wearing body armour I would say they did not survive the exercise.
 
          Even after I get my eye fixed, I'm betting my range time will bite and bite hard. I haven't been to the range in a few months so I know there is no way I'll be shooting that well. I'm hoping to just hit the paper let alone put any in the rings.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on December 31, 2011, 02:16:36 AM
Well thank you sir! Still, I generally do better... That was medium fire; probably one shot per second. I need to step it up if I want to try and enter IPSC this coming season...  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: GM4469 on December 31, 2011, 10:39:56 AM
Good shooting..
For USPSA/IPSC/IDPA....let your front sight be your gas pedal. see the sight, break the shot. :)
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: GhostWarrior on December 31, 2011, 10:47:49 AM
        oh shiney! I never heard it put that way! I'll definetly remember that. I'm thinking of seeing if they have a broken down old geezer catagory in either IPSC or IDPA :cool:
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: Angryvikingman on December 31, 2011, 11:49:32 AM
Just shoot in the unlimited category. Theres usually like 3 guys or less in that one. At least you'll come in 3rd. Thats what I'm gonna do come next 3 gun. Borrow a Saiga 12 and shoot in my own class. LOL!
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: GhostWarrior on December 31, 2011, 01:56:50 PM
       Ya boy howdie! That sure does sound like a fun thing to do. I'll just have to make sure I have ice and heat pads on hand along with some deep heat rub after I am finished the Shotgun part, and I hope that part is last. Using an 18 to 20 inch Winchester Western Model 12 in 12 Ga. Pump is all well and good when you are younger and heal faster and you are only using it to clear crack houses and what ever else is close quarters work. But, it plays heck with your body when you hit 60.  :sad: Make no mistake I would use it in a second for defence but not sure I feel like having that kind of pain after having "fun" and even being up to finishing the course.  :laugh:
 
      Considering I'm a member I suppose I should find where I put the manual about the rules and what weapons to use for the 3 gun course. Really, I'm more worried about tuck and roll, squatting behind a 55 gal drum. (ya like that's a really good idea  :cool: but as long as you have another spot already picked out and just need it for cover only a few seconds) and the running part I might make ok.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on December 31, 2011, 02:05:33 PM
Well, I'm 35, but my running, tucking, and rolling days are over. I guess when I compete maybe I can tape my handicapped parking placard on my back...  :azn:
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on December 31, 2011, 02:28:43 PM
Just got back from the range. I shot 229 rounds through the CZ 85B.
PMC, Magtech, WWB, and some of my brother's loads that are JHP.

The pistol ran like a champ and had no issues.

All shooting was free standing. Stance varied from Isosceles to Weaver. I varied my grip from a two handed grip with off hand index finger on trigger guard to off hand cupped supporting shooting hand (sometimes known as a revolver grip). I shoot better with the revolver style grip. The two handed grip with index finger on trigger guard I was shooting low and left.

WWB - 20 rounds - 15 yards
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vRfZRRaXMZI/Tv9sm2iuvGI/AAAAAAAAA0s/QFkosWqF-jQ/s400/IMG_0152.JPG)

Brother's loads, JHP - 10 rounds - 10 yards
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CXDeEGRFA5U/Tv9sngJxI5I/AAAAAAAAA00/CKlCud2WD70/s400/IMG_0153.JPG)

Magtech - FMJ - 18 rounds - 10 yards - Shot low compared to PMC
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-54EwTxheIz8/Tv9soasDLnI/AAAAAAAAA08/AGDOiKss3Sk/s400/IMG_0154.JPG)

PMC - 20 rounds - 15 yards Two hand grip with index finger on trigger guard for 10 rounds low left, 10 rounds with cupped supporting hand top and center rounds
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--MzctgkcB7U/Tv9siSSYteI/AAAAAAAAA0Q/V9UvSVtrk0k/s400/IMG_0149.JPG)

229 total rounds fired today. So far I would say that the best "cheap" round has been the UMC I shot the first day out, followed by WWB, PMC, and then Magtech.
Total rounds through the CZ 85B is 500 rounds.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: GhostWarrior on December 31, 2011, 08:12:17 PM
       Nice shooting, and I have to say considering the spread of the PMC rounds I'm not sure I would load them for carry purposes. Thanks for the post. I'm taking notes for when I get to go shooting again, so I can run those brands through each model CZ with a Chorograph clocking the speed.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on December 31, 2011, 08:53:47 PM
The PMC set was two different grips, so it isn't as bad as it looks. The ones on the lower left all go together, even though I was aiming middle. Then I switch grip and got more towards the middle and a bit to the upper right.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: GhostWarrior on December 31, 2011, 10:52:09 PM
          OK that does modify my critique, but it doesn't change the end result. the second grip did in fact put some in a more or less in line but not a close line, and you had what would be counted as fliers with one round almost through one of the flier in the center, Ok that made no sense. 4 fliers with 2 of the 4 very nearly in the same hole. and of those 4, 3 were in the green with the fourth way high right of middle top but still in the target. If you really wanted to analyse that group it appears that you had pretty good control of your weapon but did something to change that control at about the 5th and 6th round. So possibly the ammunition is part of but not necessarily the culprit.
 
         The first set in the lower left is literally all over the target with at least 1 flier out of the target completely and one as near as I can see not even on the paper. However you were holding the pistol for those shots I would say, and it's a guess, that you limp wristed the set. Considering, all the other targets showing I would say you shoot very well and once you find your center you will be drilling 4 inch or better groups. I would guess that you may even have used your off hand for those. Or you went with your less dominate eye, or both. The only other explanation is that your left hand over powered your right during that sequence. Meaning you pulled your weapon instead of supporting it and pulling down to control rise.
 
         The one target that is throwing off my guess is the first one and that's just so unlike the others I would like to know what stance and control you used for that target. As for the target with your brothers reloads all I can say there is that it proves my point about your ability to shoot and also he is a damn good re-loader. Which also goes to prove my point about the factory ammunition being part and parcel of your other three targets no matter how you held the weapon or the stance you used. Granted it was 5 yards closer but if you look at your other 10 yard target the rounds impacted over a much, much great area. Even counting the fact you fired 18 rounds instead of the 10 you had been using.  No matter how I count the holes not one pattern seems to be even close to the pattern (or grouping if you perfer) of your brothers ammunition. It would have been very intresting to see what the different speeds the rounds were traveling at since the speed of the round affects the trajectory of the round.
 
         If you aren't allready offending at my critique and I was not trying to offend you in any way, I would suggest that you took those same rounds to the range and re-shoot the sequence, but only use one stance and grip for all the shots. About the only way you will figure out what works best for you out of your weapon. Personally if I was you I would work out a deal with him to buy all your ammo from him and use that and what even stance you used to shoot them with this time.
 
         Seriously the difference between that target and the other 3 is extreme, day and night difference. Heck I would buy ammo from your brother if it worked in my primary carry weapon and the one I will use for competition. The first being a fully tricked out CZ 75 Pre-B and the second one(s) CZCustom CZ 75 SP-01 Custom Shadow, as well as it did with your 85. That is if I can afford to buy from him.
       
         If you use that stance and grip and his ammo, the only thing you would need to work on would be your sight picture and where you you have to aim for the distance, and once you had that down you would be in the top 10 if not higher depending on what competition you were in or wanted to try if any.
 
         I hope I didn't offend you (much) and everything (almost everything) I said was a guess, but there is no denying the fact that what ever stance and grip you used coupled with your brother's ammo is the one you should go with. At least IMHO anyway. Won't really know I suppose unless you take my suggestion and re-shoot the test using only the same one stance and grip on all 4 types of ammo and distances.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on January 01, 2012, 01:38:29 AM
Happy New Year.

No offense taken. I don't get offended unless offense is intended, then I pout a lot.  :tongue:

The set with my brother's ammo was set number 7 of 11. I was warmed up but not tired yet.
The set with the PMC is number 3. I was trying different grips/holds as stated. I have always shot "revolver style" or even one handed. Supporting hand with index finger on the nice flat trigger guard was something new. I haven't figured it out.

My brother is in Kentucky. I will tell him that his loads are desirable. We'll see what he says.  :grin:

My wife got me a pass to the range, good for two hours a day. Hopefully I can go four or five times a month at least.

Take care my friends.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on January 01, 2012, 02:13:58 AM
It's AMAZING how much my accuracy suffers if I don't go at least once a fortnight... But on the whole, we've got a decent set of shooters here!  :cool: We need a team, a sponsor, and, I'm thinking, our own jet and chauffeur to get us to matches...  :laugh:

Right now I am LOVING this stuff...
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7033/6570409275_c85e87b530_z.jpg)

Shoots great. I was just almost out and didn't shoot any the other day. It's what I have loaded in everything I have that they make it in. Great ammo!
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: Angryvikingman on January 01, 2012, 08:44:27 AM
I'm down to be on the team. At least once I lose enough weight to fit into one of those snazzy team CZ shirts. GW, you've got the Jet and chauffeur covered right?
 
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l586/angryvikingman/2011-09-18151215.jpg)
 
Thats with some crappy range reloads. out between 10 and 15 yards. Tactical drills. 50 rounds.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on January 01, 2012, 10:05:26 AM
Hey, I can't shoot, but I can.... write "an App for that!"  :cheesy: :tongue: :laugh:

Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: Angryvikingman on January 01, 2012, 11:36:04 AM
Your shooting was actually pretty good sirgilligan. Especially since you're not used to the pistol. Have you tried mating your thumbs, and putting a finger or two of your offhand on the triggerguard for stability? One nice thing about the slide-in-frame design of the CZ is you can put a lot more positive grip on the gun for more accurate shooting.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: GhostWarrior on January 01, 2012, 03:46:50 PM
       Mating his thumbs? How do you do that and what kind of offspring do they have, Little Fingers? Or finger nails?  :tongue:
 
       Oh and the jet and chauffeur? Taken care of,  Ken has borrowed Barbie's Vet, not sure how we will all fit, may have to make 2 or 3 trips, and the Jets waiting over in LegoLand :laugh: Don't I wish? If I win a big enough Lotto or Power Ball Lottery, I may well put together a Shooting Team along with a really good reloader and a really good gunsmith. After getting the equipment in the plane there may not be room for us? I suppose you guys could fly coach?
 
      And those "crappy range loads", apparently you were able to adapt, improvise and overcome that particular obstacle.  :grin:
 
sirgilligan:
 
         You are doing fine, like I said once you find your Center (by which I mean, Stance and grip) you will be a contender. If you don't allready, try shooting with both eyes open. Everything is just a matter of time and practice. But take heart, in a couple months you too can critique my shooting skills...............That is if I can remember where I left them that is.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on January 04, 2012, 04:10:02 PM
Ran 50 rounds of PMC Bronze 115 FMJ and 50 rounds of Federal 115 FMJ.
No malfunctions. 600 rounds now through the CZ 85B.
Worked on trigger pull today. As usual, free standing, two hand hold (free hand cupped holding shooting hand, aka a revolver grip), no support or leaning.

PMC - 7 yards, 20 rounds. 4 rounds at each target starting from top left...
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zDlAmgCx_OM/TwTM8giMpFI/AAAAAAAAA20/fOjWjCNGzBk/s1600/photo2a.jpg)

PMC - 15 yards, 10 rounds
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mNtHttyUBXk/TwTM9M8f9xI/AAAAAAAAA28/8ubvyPGIxN0/s1600/photoA.jpg)
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on January 04, 2012, 04:14:32 PM
Very nice!
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: GhostWarrior on January 04, 2012, 04:43:16 PM
very well done. Big differece.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on January 04, 2012, 10:41:33 PM
Yes it is coming together nicely. Thanks to all for advice.
First time out - Check gun for function and ability
Second time out - Experimented with stance and grip. Settled on a modified Weaver stance with a cupped support hand.
Third time out - Experimented with trigger control and sight picture.

Anyone reading this thread that doesn't have a CZ 75 family pistol, then you should seriously think about getting one. $480 - $520 range of prices, great balance, great point-ability, good trigger with excellent feel,... it brings all of the things you need to the table.

Also, with 600 rounds now through it with no issues there is also no additional wear that is noticeable either. After the first 100 rounds or so the shiny places on the slide are the same, so it is not showing any signs of poor alignment or poor tolerances.

Here are some reports that show how the ammo is grouping:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jLO0lxe5blU/TwUzUt_F2sI/AAAAAAAAA3k/ViL9XmN0nSw/s640/report1.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--uboy_KwjBU/TwUzVFFmJkI/AAAAAAAAA3s/lv29zJUjrh4/s640/report2.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aRzX-MF8ZX4/TwUzYf77UXI/AAAAAAAAA30/EAN5TF-HFcA/s640/report3.jpg)

It looks like to me that Remington UMC is the best from 7 - 25 yards for "reasonable" priced ammunition. I will keep records all this year and wonder how things will pan out.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on January 04, 2012, 11:43:52 PM
How much is th eapp and is an Android version in the works? I'll sell it at my local gun store as if it were my own baby. Yo,, of course, will reap all of the proceeds. You should hear how many CZs I've helped those guys sell...

Speaking of which, I promise I really can shoot... haha
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on January 05, 2012, 09:37:54 AM
I'll PM you about the App.

One thing about tracking results, it really doesn't track if you are tired at the end of a firing session and groups might open up, stuff like that, the human inconsistencies.
Another thing I track is failures, ammo related or weapon related. Those are good to compile and see if there are trends.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: GhostWarrior on January 05, 2012, 11:29:35 AM
          Me, Me, me, too! then again if I get it I'll have to fly to Austin to get my daughter to show me how to use it.  :laugh: And I can't really fly these days. I don't think they have come up with a way for changes in altitude and cabin pressure not to mess with blood pressure meds, especially 3 different kinds at once. :rolleyes:  And ever since I crushed my heel I can't deal with small cramped seats anymore. Go figure, I can't. :cool:
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on January 13, 2012, 09:34:11 PM
I really need help... For some reason, my shooting has gone to hell... It's humiliating...
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on January 13, 2012, 09:42:17 PM
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I really need help... For some reason, my shooting has gone to hell... It's humiliating...

What's up?
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on January 13, 2012, 09:53:24 PM
Man. I don't know. I went from consistent 4" groups at 10 yards and being able to hit center mass consistently at 25 yards to being, well, the worst shooter ever... It's discouraging to say the least...
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on January 13, 2012, 09:55:32 PM
Swing down south here and we can go shooting. Probably a bad batch of ammo.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on January 13, 2012, 09:59:49 PM
Well, then I will hold off on hating myself for a little while... Thanks for the excuse, er, thought.  :rolleyes: :laugh:
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: Rodolfo Fierro on January 14, 2012, 06:53:50 AM
off hand cupped supporting shooting hand (sometimes known as a revolver grip). I shoot better with the revolver style grip. The two handed grip with index finger on trigger guard I was shooting low and left.
Without the gun in your hand assune the cup & saucer (revolver) grip and jerk your strong hand up as if from recoil.  Try it again with your other grip style.  The hands do not stay together with the cup & saucer style grip.  Keep the meaty part of the thumbs together for more control.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on January 14, 2012, 08:23:45 AM
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Well, then I will hold off on hating myself for a little while
There are bad days, bad weeks, bad ammo, bad moods, and such. All of which will pass.

Seriously, when you are down this end of the valley let me know.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: GhostWarrior on January 14, 2012, 09:05:28 AM
          ya Dan, What they said. there are three steps in getting good at something, learning how to it. Getting good at it. Then, for a while you seem to fall back into the learning/practicing part, I think it's a slump or something like that? not joking seriously can't remember, and I may even have the description wrong in some way, but I hope you get my meaning, (maybe the word is Plateau?)OH ya sorry 4 steps.  :azn: Then suddenly you are not only back in the grove but get better and better. And there ya go. You are simply at the second stage, it will pass, and like I said to start this What Rodolfo Fierro and sirgilligan said.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on January 14, 2012, 10:44:07 PM
Thanks Gentlemen!
Here's the evidence of my feculent firing skills...
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7007/6698919683_abb01f0839_b.jpg)

The shooting wasn't good at all, but the guns look nice...   :laugh:
By the way, this paper was shot with the SP-01, but they were all pretty much the same...
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on January 14, 2012, 11:11:39 PM
Went to the range this afternoon, I am watching the Out Law Jose Wales so I am editing this during commercials.

CZ 85B on bottom, Browning Hi-Power on top. 7 Yards, 3 Rounds, free Standing as usual.
The CZ put 3 in the same hole! Can't complain.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-TG8KQLk2bbw/TxJcVc47FFI/AAAAAAAAA8M/9cGObXBTttc/s1600/IMG_0174.JPG)

CZ 85B, 7 yards, 5 rounds:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-it2IwHFY5UM/TxJcW33rLtI/AAAAAAAAA8c/3qb9QnjyaQ4/s1600/IMG_0176.JPG)

Browning HP, 7 yards, 5 rounds:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PBXnmk-cwGc/TxJcWK48WxI/AAAAAAAAA8U/1_5XuOimLxI/s1600/IMG_0175.JPG)

CZ 85B, 15 yards, 10 rounds, Fed 115 FMJ:

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-prz481jZqU4/TxJcYrpq8AI/AAAAAAAAA8s/Zwxb10TKSm0/s1600/IMG_0178.JPG)

Amazed at the CZ 85B, that was 15 yards and 10 rounds, 3" group.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on January 15, 2012, 12:52:05 AM
Great shooting, Gil!


Man... I stink...  :embarrassed: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: GhostWarrior on January 15, 2012, 11:03:02 AM
sirgilligan:   

           Nice shooting. Really nice shooting.

and Dan

          Really just relaxe, Everyone hits this plateau or slump or what ever you want to call it, but stressing about it like you are is only making you tense up and if you aren't relaxed it's harder to get past it. Think of it as a given and forget about it, Don't sweat the small stuff man. Not to say that when competing or in a firefight you aren't tensed up, but for different reasons. Don't work so hard at hitting the ring, just have fun, Shooting is about fun, it's ALL about fun. It ain't fun if you are freaking out.  Ya it bugs me that I lost so much skill set, since I hadn't been shooting in about 10 years, frankly I was shocked, but I figured I was simply out of practice and had to relearn some muscle memory. As long as I hit center mass, I'm not going to worry about it. Don't really know how to say what I'm trying to tell you but try doing some meditating or some Zen before you start shooting, Lay your stuff out, set up your targets and then simply stand or sit back, drink something non decaffeinated chew or smoke a cigar and just look at the target let your mind go blank, say total 5 10 mins. Then step up and stay relaxed, Before your first shot, take a deep breath and then slowly let it out, and at the half way point stroke the trigger as you finish exhaling.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on January 15, 2012, 11:36:29 AM
One thing I do is talk to my self. Yep, jabber jabber jabber. Mumbling under my breath type talking.
What am I saying?
Look at front sight, see rear sight, see target, align it, shoot. That is what I do when I am really trying to see what I can do, as yesterday.

When I am shooting quickly it is more, see target, see front sight, shoot.

And what GhostWarrior said, relax, don't stress.

The first shot with the Browning Hi-Power, well I can't take a picture of a miss. The new mag caused the trigger to drag so badly I gave it a hard squeeze and thus a jerk to the left and down. Going back and forth between the two wasn't as easy as I thought it would be. I have never done a back to back like that before. I shot the BHP and immediately did the same number of rounds at the same distance with the CZ85B. I have very long fingers and I have recently put 500 rounds through the CZ. I hadn't shot the BHP since last August. Needless to say, I had grown accustom to the longer reach of the CZ.

Mechanically the are both equally accurate in my opinion. Sights are easier to see on the BHP. Grip and trigger pull length is a bit more cozy on the CZ. All in all, both are a must for any 9mm shooter.

p.s. Zero malfunctions with either weapon. Ammo: PMC Bronze 115 FMJ, Federal 115 FMJ. 35 rounds through CZ, 65 rounds through BHP. The BHP groups tightened up a bit after I went to only shooting it after the head to head shooting.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on January 18, 2012, 05:31:09 PM
Decided to take the S&W Walther PPK/S  and one of my Hi-Powers out today.

Walther PPK/S:
 I shot 50 rounds of Magtech 95 grain FMJ. No failures. I have approximately 400 rounds through the firearm and no failures. It is so fun to shoot, but I hate buying .380 ammo.

All shooting is free standing, two handed, 10 rounds (shot 5 and then loaded and shot 5 again).

10 Yards:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yvbKMRrYgEs/TxdTEfvpQ5I/AAAAAAAAA90/aA2S4W1QrU4/s1600/photo1.JPG)

15 Yards:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0o8oQkaln7Y/TxdTEvs8wOI/AAAAAAAAA98/NOazGv2LBdQ/s1600/photo2.JPG)

Browning Hi-Power. No failures. Federal Champion 115 grain FMJ.

7 Yards:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rvmNl-HrTZ8/TxdTFCBv3fI/AAAAAAAAA-E/q5nGqLGNds8/s1600/photo3.JPG)

7 Yards:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QjnVliXo4bQ/TxdTFVASu8I/AAAAAAAAA-M/UNf-IoyyNec/s1600/photo4.JPG)

I shot the Browning better today because I used the factory magazines. The trigger pulls much better with those mags. I have 265 rounds through this Browning so far.

I have 635 now through the CZ 85B.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: Angryvikingman on January 18, 2012, 06:11:20 PM
Gilligan... You're really starting to make me angry with the amount of range time you get.... Or maybe jealous is the right word. Yeah, jealous.  :tongue:
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on January 18, 2012, 06:20:52 PM
Wife got me an annual range pass and I plan on using it some. I have shot more in the last 2 weeks than I do in 6 months. I have a bunch of "old" ammo I bought in 2008 (now why would I have bought a bunch of ammo in 2008, I wonder) that I am replacing with newer, better, and sometimes even cheaper stuff.

My best bud at work just asked me, "Which do you like better for shooting, the BHP or the CZ?" I paused for a moment. "The CZ", I replied, "Because I don't have to worry about scratches and finger prints on it!"  :grin:
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: GhostWarrior on January 19, 2012, 08:57:03 AM
I do hope I'll be able to shoot half as well now. Well done.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on January 20, 2012, 08:28:30 PM
WooHoo! I went to the range today and didn't suck! Not shooting like a master, but I'm pretty pleased...
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7001/6733772775_6f8d7c4a01_z.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7163/6733771689_feefcc4707_z.jpg)

I know there are plenty here who could put me to shame, but it's great to be shooting like "my old self" again...  :laugh:
By the way, this is with some plain old Remington 115gr JHP. The stuff I carry with (when I'm not using the Federal HST). I like it well enough.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on January 21, 2012, 07:45:40 AM
Looks great!

One thing that helps my targets is to take a .30-06 round and punch ten holes in it before I send it down range.  :shocked:

Is that Remington stuff the UMC flavor? The only hollow points I have shot so far are my brother's reloads.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: GhostWarrior on January 21, 2012, 06:39:10 PM
 :tongue: 30-06!  thanks funny, I'm going to have to remember that.

          And Dan: that's shiny as it gets sir! well done. See I told you somedays it just goes bad for no reason, and then youare back in the grove. And I'm pretty sure I couldn't match those patterns. At least not for a bit of practice that's for sure. (a bit of practice being about a million rounds. :laugh: )
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on January 25, 2012, 09:22:57 PM
Thank you! Things are still going well! These are rapid shots... Probably 2/second...


(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7012/6763633025_0ab7e19ce0_z.jpg)


(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7155/6763631623_b0f93bba3f_z.jpg)


For that reason, those 2 flyers don't bother me in the least. Man... I LOVE my CZs!
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on January 25, 2012, 09:26:14 PM
Holy target Batman! That is good shooting. Great shooting. Superb shooting.

I have not practiced rapid fire shooting. It is something that I want to learn some day.

Which ammo? Any recommendations or knowledge gained that you feel worthy to share?
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on January 25, 2012, 09:35:26 PM
Thank you, sir! I was using 115gr Seller & Beliot. Cheap but it seemed clean and accurate enough. I meant to add that part. I was on fire tonight! Even had sub-2ft groups with the 52 haha
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on February 08, 2012, 05:36:04 PM
So, I haven't given you guys a range report. Well I have one for you today! I started to take my CZ 85B to the range today and decided last minute to rent a Model 1911 .45 ACP. I have never shot a .45 nor a 1911.

Let me say that it was very interesting indeed. I am going to repeat what I have posted on a 1911 forum.

I go to my local guns store and range.
They have a Springfield 1911 .45 ACP. "Do you have ammo?" they asked. "Nope".
They get a box of American Eagle and a target and off I go.

I load up five rounds. Rack the slide. Aim. Pull trigger. No earth shattering ka-boom.

Drop the mag. Round falls out mag well I think.
Load it back up.
Pull trigger. Bang. I think, man this thing doesn't kick at all
Pull trigger. No bang. I notice it is not in full battery.
Drop mag. Rack slide. Nothing comes out. Look in, I can see the brass in the chamber. Point at target, pull trigger. Still nothing.

I can't get it to extract. I can't flip it out with my finger nail either.
I go and get someone at the range. He flips it out with his knife. It didn't come out easy. The brass is split in several places, both length wise and around as well.

Hmmm..........

He spends some time looking the gun over, making sure the barrel isn't blocked and other things. Then he puts the mag back and and racks the slide. Pulls trigger, no bang.

Here is were the issue is exposed. He rocks the gun barrel down looking at it and the entire cartridge falls out the barrel.

.40 S&W is not the right bullet for a .45 ACP.

I should have noticed, but I was excited shooting my first model 1911 .45 ACP and it was the first time I have ever rented a gun. My bad for being distracted.

So, I only had about 40 minutes on my lunch break, so I still haven't fired a .45 ACP in a model 1911.

So for now, all I can say is two thumbs down for Model 1911 .45 ACP. They constantly jam, never extract, bullets key hole the target, and entire cartridges fall out the barrel.  :shocked: Who would ever want such a gun!  :cry:

It was sure funny and I will go back down next Wednesday. I might take the CZ or try again with the .45.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: GhostWarrior on February 08, 2012, 06:00:22 PM
ummmmmmmm Opps? :cheesy:
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on February 25, 2012, 03:51:21 PM
Shot the CZ 85B and the Browning 1911-A1 22 today.
No photos this time, sorry. I was showing my son-in-law how to operate a semi-auto pistol.

7 yards, 1 inch group, 3 rounds, the CZ runs like a champ! No problems and always pleases.

The Browning 1911-A1 22 has bee perfect as well.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on February 25, 2012, 06:08:57 PM
Glad you are ok after the .40/.45 thing. THat could, I imagine, have been a mess.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on May 12, 2012, 05:36:57 PM
First real range day since surgery. The previous trip my Son-In-Law racked the slide and I just shot a few. Well, today I found a CZ 75 Compact for sale locally. I told my Son-In-Law and went with him to check it out. Well, it was what the user described and he bought it. So, we had to go to the range and shoot it, so I got out the CZ 85B and my last box of WWB and went to the range. His Compact ran just fine.

I shot the 100 rounds. WWB. I experienced 3 failures to eject. I know the problem. I was having trouble supporting the pistol with my weak hand that had the surgery and it was messing with my grip by not having the stock/grip properly in my shooting hand. Technically a limp wrist situation. Now the WWB might be a bit underpowered as well, compounding the problem. Tired, wrists sore, but got her done.

10 yards, 21 rounds (there were actually 101 in the box unless I loaded 9 sometime).
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eS1_0tGll5A/T67i_P4NgoI/AAAAAAAACOQ/gdgAeBysNso/s640/IMG_0219.JPG)

As you can see, I have got some recovering to do.

7 yards, 20 rounds. Too much finger on the trigger trying to get a comfortable grip. My hand is aching while I type this.  :angry:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-TqcE4IVVhg8/T67i_8kw4jI/AAAAAAAACOY/P_dan8vbO1U/s640/IMG_0222.JPG)

Pleased to be out. Pleased I could hit the paper. Not happy with the result but realize it is all part of the process.

Well, that's another 101 down the old pipe.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: chfields on May 12, 2012, 05:49:57 PM
Considering there are only 4 outside the red....I fail to understand how you couldn't be happy.....I would give my left arm to shoot that tight..... :tongue:
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on May 12, 2012, 06:12:06 PM
Don't say that!  :shocked: I already gave my left hand to shoot like that!  :grin:
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on May 13, 2012, 12:00:05 AM
I'm 35, have good glasses, and there is nothing wrong with either of my hands and you shoot better than I do. Good shootin'. Remember, It could be worse. You could shoot like Dan!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: chfields on May 13, 2012, 12:14:35 AM
Don't say that!  :shocked: I already gave my left hand to shoot like that!  :grin:
:shocked: :shocked: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on May 13, 2012, 07:24:28 AM
Quote
It could be worse. You could shoot like Dan!

Sounds like a team CZForum t-shirt to me!  :tongue:
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: GhostWarrior on May 13, 2012, 01:21:08 PM
Sir Gillian!
 
          Welcome Back! I forgot about the surgery on your hand. Real good shooting while still on the limited duty part of the healing, very well done. Actually that's pretty good shooting for me feeling great.  :laugh: And remind me never to get on your bad, side injured or not. :tongue:
 
           I wish I had a teat CZ shirt but the box I got only had 3 or 4? and they are went as Christmas Presents. I Could go see the ladies that made my hats and patches (I have to anyway out of those also) and see how much they charge for Screening, What size do you wear, Presuming I have money enough? I really liked those shirts actually, and as far as I am concerned, we can simply be a Team, only with members representing us in different places and maybe by yourselves? Any takers on putting together a Team even a spread out one?
 
           Anyway it's Very good to have you back here, missed you. Don't forget to take the x-rays with you to work or where and whip them out to  show the screws, plate, and anything else they did. The guys will look  at it and be Seriously impressed, and the women folk will turn and run or start making sure you have everything you need including coffee. :cool:
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on May 13, 2012, 01:35:20 PM
I'm in on a shirt, I can send you cash, just let me know what one costs with shipping...

Thanks for the comments!

XLT... I am almost 6'4" and 210 lbs, well 212 with the hardware in my hand!
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: Angryvikingman on May 13, 2012, 02:28:29 PM
Shooting team, count me in!!! At the academy I shot 249 out of 250. Hung a flier in the 7 ring at 25 yards. See if you can get CZ to send me a new scorpion (civilian version ) and I'll start using that at 3 gun competitions. ;D
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on May 26, 2012, 09:47:58 PM
I would also go in on a shirt/hat/patch... As big a shirt as they have... 3 or 4X?
Here are some pictures. I probably should have kept these to myself, but it's been a while since I posted here or had a chance to go to the range... 7 weeks without shooting is too long!


(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8011/7276805342_d02a637217_c.jpg)


With the Oracle @ 80 yards. And this was the first 21 shots with the Witness Classic .45 at 20 yards...
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8005/7276806092_1960f132c5_c.jpg)

Not entirely sure how I feel about these targets... Well, yeah, I am. Don't care for them much. But I was given several and went through them.
Anyway, let's round up some cash and get orderin'!
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on May 26, 2012, 10:02:25 PM
Good shooting. Never enough time or money for shooting.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on May 26, 2012, 10:12:46 PM
Thanks! And I got an iPod touch (with a completely destroyed screen). As soon as I get that sorted out I can't wait to check out GunLog!
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on May 26, 2012, 10:14:19 PM
The busted screen is a rare option.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on May 26, 2012, 10:17:16 PM
Haha! Yeah! Well, it is a 4th Gen Ipod Touch 8gb. They go for about $180; I got mine for $30. $100 to fix the glass... It all works perfectly, so I sometimes wonder about just leaving it. I could buy the glass for $40 and try to do it myself, but...
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: chfields on May 26, 2012, 10:19:56 PM
If it works..............................
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on May 26, 2012, 10:21:46 PM
Hmm... Well good luck with it! Computer gadgets, like cars, depreciate faster than I can eat fried chicken!
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: Rodolfo Fierro on May 27, 2012, 04:49:41 AM
GW count me in for a team shirt too.  The way the weather is now I can't wear the black one from CZ-USA.  Let me know the cost, I may want two.
Title: CZ 85B Range Day
Post by: sirgilligan on August 13, 2012, 07:21:09 PM
It has been nearly two months since I shot anything. So, I went to a pistol that was sure to please, the CZ 85B. I just wasn't in the mode for any weapon issues today.

She ran flawless. I was testing out 3 new Mec-Gar mags and they all locked back and worked perfect as well. I only shot 61 rounds which works out to be 3 16 round mags and 13 rounds I found of left over Magtech. The mags had UMC FMJ 115 grain in them. I had left them loaded over the past several weeks hoping the spring would give a bit. Haven't reloaded them yet to see if that is the case.

Everything (like always) is free standing, two handed grip (revolver style), modified weaver stance.

So, here are the results.

25 yards, 8 rounds, 14" group
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IF3JeDZj-dI/UCmV83hr0aI/AAAAAAAACnE/XvPhmAQS1M0/s640/IMG_0229.JPG)

25 yards, 8 rounds 10.75" group
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-T4mH3nQgjL4/UCmV9ngqUNI/AAAAAAAACnM/XvhGn1k-4Ak/s640/IMG_0230.JPG)

7 yards, 5 rounds, 1.5" group
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5sFd-HEoQ0w/UCmV-ua8KNI/AAAAAAAACnc/hi-bmxvN8OE/s640/IMG_0232.JPG)

10 yards, 8 rounds 3.5" group
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zi7hdtKVkKo/UCmV_csy_nI/AAAAAAAACnk/l7E_BGWinB0/s640/IMG_0233.JPG)

15 yards, 8 rounds 6.5' group
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lwsNoKZ1FkU/UCmV_9VMFBI/AAAAAAAACns/rxQQd6oUQIA/s640/IMG_0234.JPG)

15 yards, 8 rounds, 3.75" group
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IECDXi7eL2o/UCmWAS5Vd1I/AAAAAAAACn0/WeKNRr_CiXM/s640/IMG_0235.JPG)

10 yards, 8 rounds, 3.3" group
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SUqG2S6cHCg/UCmWBHpIX8I/AAAAAAAACn8/b8RJBO3bm1s/s640/IMG_0236.JPG)

7 yards, 8 rounds, 2.5" group
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-piA3AkcWaFg/UCmWCDrf6XI/AAAAAAAACoM/BZpg0Ehk9Tw/s640/IMG_0238.JPG)

I have shot worse for sure, but felt rusty.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: GhostWarrior on August 13, 2012, 10:01:03 PM
           Well you were away from it for a couple months, but I won't sneer at those targets. As near as I can tell they die you live, nothing strictly outside the kill area. Unless you want to count the flier, and even that would make the bad guy duck, and you get in an extra shot.
     
            Besides I'll post the pics of my daughter, and chfields out at the range. She ain't bad considering she has shot in about a year. I don't think anyone got a shot of me and the targets aren't forth posting, I'm doing the best I can to learn how to shoot a whole different way, with both eyes open, and I'm not doing any to good at it. damnit!
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: chfields on August 13, 2012, 10:24:22 PM
Looks like pretty good shooting to me...not too bad for being away for that long.....I haven't been doing so hot the last couple times out...although my rifle is pretty good....
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: GhostWarrior on August 13, 2012, 10:35:52 PM
His Rifle Rocks!. Took out most of the red spot on the target, all his shots could be covered by a quarter
Title: CZ 85B
Post by: sirgilligan on September 12, 2012, 08:55:53 AM
My Dad is in town and had never seen a CZ. Well, not seeing a CZ before is not unusual. My Dad has shot the Browning High Power and the Beretta 92 (not sure the specific model).
I wanted to show him the capability of the pistol, so I changed my shooting slightly. Instead of reflexive fire, where I pull the trigger when I get back on target (about a second a shot), I shot slow and deliberately. I was free standing as always, no support, or leaning. I use a modified weaver stance, two hand grip, this time with thumbs forward.

I don't think I shamed the CZ too badly. This is five rounds of UMC 115 FMJ at 7 yards.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Zgm0N8fcmLw/UFCRxjU9pCI/AAAAAAAACtY/027IS9KzI_0/s640/czt.png)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4-DxwU4sjuI/UFCRyAFlICI/AAAAAAAACtk/qp97SX3Opi4/s640/czr1.png)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0v4AB-BezuM/UFCRyo5UxCI/AAAAAAAACtw/b97kKnCNT8g/s640/czr2.png)
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: kneelingatlas on September 12, 2012, 12:45:11 PM
This one's from my second trip out with my new TS (10 shots at ten yards):(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa457/jjdurso/TacticalSportSecondTimeOut.jpg)
I'm buying a sight pusher today (mashed the crap out of an aluminum dowel and didn't budget the sight).  And I know this is the CZ forum, but CZ owns Dan Wesson now right?
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa457/jjdurso/IMG_20120910_194837.jpg)
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: GhostWarrior on September 12, 2012, 06:50:12 PM
                        yep. and I am looking forward to reading how everything turns out.
 
                     I would however suggest instead of an aluminum rod you use a brass one or Maybe a bronze one, The brass one won't mar your weapon it is slips, and I Think the bronze one won't damage it either. But they will take the pounding an aluminium rod can't and won't. Actually you should even have to put that much effort into moving the site. I'm not sure but the sights may go in the same way some of the pins do, and that's from one side only because they are tapered. You may have been trying to move it from the wrong side?
 
AH NVRMD if it has to go in that direction then pushing from the other side is pointless. Just ignore this post. But the Brass rods and punches are a good idea to have on hand. I have as big a set as I can find of them.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: kneelingatlas on September 13, 2012, 09:29:11 AM
That's a no go on the sight pusher :embarrassed:

The low profile CZ slide we all love is too low for the sight pusher tool; this is compounded on my TS by the deep cut of the slide which sinks the dovetail even lower in the slide:
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa457/jjdurso/2012-09-12_19-14-19_428.jpg)
The instructions provided say to use shims under the slide to get it up high enough for the pusher to make contact, but with the TS slide I had to use .38" of washers to get the sight into place; with the sight this high in the vise jaws, the moving block tipped out of square causing the slide to slip out the top:
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa457/jjdurso/2012-09-12_19-25-40_641.jpg)
The vise blocks are .75" tall, with .38" of shims, that leaves .37" of slide in the vise, however, because of the shape of the TS slide:
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa457/jjdurso/IMG_20120912_193910.jpg)
The bottom .21" is narrower and does not make contact with the vise jaws, leaving only the top .16" of the vise jaws to grip the slide.  I thought of ways to make new sight jaws with the correct geometry for CZ slides, but alas, the center lines of the two threaded bolts are too far apart in the frame to make it work.  It could work if the pusher blade was .38" longer and corresponding grooves were cut in the vise blocks, but I fear the torsional forces would be to great on the aluminum block and it would bind up rather than push the sight.

Oh well, I guess it's time to find a brass punch and beat the sight over...
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: GhostWarrior on September 14, 2012, 08:18:53 PM
                OK this part is going to be a royal pain. But what say you got someone to help, and that person take x number of washers and tape them in a stack, then holding that stack between the top of the block (Once it was far enough to make initial contact or even a tad short of contact) And then as you tighten the screwgear, they slip washers in behind the taped up ones? That way Possibly you could keep the block as square as possible and move the sight over.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: kneelingatlas on September 15, 2012, 09:59:21 PM
I thought about cutting a piece of aluminum stock just a hair narrower than the slide to keep the jaws square, but the real problem is that there is so little of the slide in the jaws and what is gripped is the serrations, so only half the surface area is metal.

So, I returned the sight pusher, picked up a brass punch and... nothing.  The sight wouldn't budge so I filled the set screw hole multiple times with Aerokroil penetrating oil and let it soak into the dove tail, then sprayed the length of the sight on both sides of the slide.  I beat the hell out of it with the brass punch and it finally let loose.

I'll be checking the zero at the range on Monday.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: GhostWarrior on September 16, 2012, 03:55:37 PM
 
            WOW!!!  :shocked:  way to go. And the delicate way you handled the precision work is impressive. BTW was the 2 Lb. Sledge or the 5 Lb. one? :rolleyes:
 
             Seriously,  glad that finally worked it. I was beginning to wonder if somehow it welded itself (Rust? Dirt?) to the slide, and it wasn’t going to come loose.
 
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: kneelingatlas on September 16, 2012, 05:59:13 PM
Actually it was a 16oz ball pein hammer with a 14" handle, but you get the idea...

Rust, not on this baby, it just rolled off the assembly line in April.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on September 23, 2012, 02:45:52 PM
My brother is out visiting, have to go to a funeral, and we went to the range. First time he ever saw a CZ and thus the first time he ever shot it.
First 5 rounds, free standing, at 7 yards:

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UrBU7WxGD2E/UF89715m8NI/AAAAAAAACuU/AvPuZ4vXTpQ/s640/cz_greg.png)

He said "What's not to like." He did comment that the double action pull was very smooth and reminded him of some of his S&W revolvers. Truth is I have never fired it double action.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: chfields on September 23, 2012, 02:58:41 PM
Gotta love them CZ's.... :cheesy:
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on October 19, 2012, 09:48:40 PM
I LOVE seeing the functionality of GunLog! Sweet program!
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on October 19, 2012, 09:57:55 PM
Thanks. A good tool for shooters.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: chfields on October 19, 2012, 10:03:27 PM
Do they have an app for Android?
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on October 19, 2012, 10:04:59 PM
No Andriod app. Maybe someday. Most users use the iPad anyway.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: chfields on October 19, 2012, 10:13:23 PM
Android is still superior tho...... :tongue:
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on October 19, 2012, 10:17:11 PM
Do they have an app for Android?
That is SirGillian's app. So it should say "do YOU have an app for android?"  :cheesy:
I can't wait until I can go back to shooting at least twice a month so I can get the most out of the data.
Anyway, I didn't snap targets today, but here is my new toy (f it will let me upload)


Edit. Guess not...  :cry:
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on October 19, 2012, 10:24:40 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8171/8034894549_6b6366d24c_c.jpg)
There we go. Not a CZ, but still a barrel of monkeys!
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on October 19, 2012, 10:28:58 PM
Tell us about that pistol. Never seen one.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on October 19, 2012, 10:36:42 PM
I'd be glad to!  :cheesy:
It's a Sarsilmaz ST-10. Sarsilmaz makes some nice CZ75 clones, and while I was looking at them, this came up. It is, in many ways, an H&K clone mixed with some CZ. Looking at it you can see how much it resembles the USP. Big difference (apart from $500) is that this has an alloy frame rather than the poly. 16+1 9mm capacity, shoots like a dream. I think I have some internals pics around here...
*scurries off to the pic vault*


(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8179/8034887460_3de470a6e4_c.jpg)


So, it's pretty straightforward. Shoots like a dream, actually conceals very nicely considering its size (full size combat), relatively light... I just really like it. CZ75 mags fit in but don't catch. I suspect that some adjustments to the mag catch would make them fit, feed, and function. They look exactly the same, and when I took it out with my SP-01, I thought that the SP-01 had its first failure in 2000 rounds. Turns out I had just inserted the Sar ST-10 mag by mistake...  :rolleyes: :laugh:
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on October 19, 2012, 10:40:23 PM
Very nice. Thanks.
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: chfields on October 19, 2012, 10:43:20 PM
Very interesting....
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Post by: b5.5dan on October 19, 2012, 10:44:09 PM
I really like it. Here's a brief and rather lame vid of me shooting it. It shows the target at the end, but only for a second lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KaG5pPEisA&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KaG5pPEisA&feature=plcp)
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: chfields on October 19, 2012, 10:46:09 PM
Do they have an app for Android?
That is SirGillian's app. So it should say "do YOU have an app for android?"  :cheesy:
I can't wait until I can go back to shooting at least twice a month so I can get the most out of the data.
Anyway, I didn't snap targets today, but here is my new toy (f it will let me upload)


Edit. Guess not...  :cry:
Well sirgilligan, if you do decide to make an Android app let me know..it looks pretty cool...
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: Angryvikingman on October 20, 2012, 10:14:32 AM
Dan, I can't believe.you cheated on me.
Brokenhearted,
-CZ USA-

LOL! I'm thinking I'm going to wait for.the 2013 97B with the light rail to come out before I wade into the 45acp market. I'm also going to modify the mags so I can get 14+1 capacity.  Extended base plates and cut a couple coils off.the mag spring. GM4469 says it wont affect the function. Mua ha ha ha!!!
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Post by: kneelingatlas on October 20, 2012, 11:19:10 AM
Henning's tanfo mag bases?
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: b5.5dan on October 20, 2012, 02:34:50 PM
Dan, I can't believe.you cheated on me.
Brokenhearted,
-CZ USA-

LOL! I'm thinking I'm going to wait for.the 2013 97B with the light rail to come out before I wade into the 45acp market. I'm also going to modify the mags so I can get 14+1 capacity.  Extended base plates and cut a couple coils off.the mag spring. GM4469 says it wont affect the function. Mua ha ha ha!!!
I just couldn't pass this one up. It's the one, however, that ended my clone fascination, so it's back to CZ (after this Sig 1911 and the Taurus Saturday  :laugh: :laugh: )
I got rid of my .45 ACP stuff since what I had was... not great, but if CZ is going to make a railed 97, then that will be my next .45. I really wish they would make a 10mm... It's not going to happen, but MAN would that be the dog's bollocks!
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Post by: kneelingatlas on October 20, 2012, 03:59:27 PM
I really wish they would make a 10mm... It's not going to happen, but MAN would that be the dog's bollocks!

I owned both the 97B and the Witness long slide in 45 and 10mm; the CZ has a tighter slide, but that's it.  The Witness grip is smaller from font to back, although the share the same mag, the sights sit low on the hand like a 75, and the slide doesn't have all that extra metal on top like the 97.  Plus for the price of a 97 you can get an upgraded Witness.
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Post by: b5.5dan on October 20, 2012, 04:22:12 PM
Yeah. I have an Elite Match in 10mm and it is an absolutely MAGNIFICENT pistol. Dead accurate, pleasure to shoot... Got a 20# recoil spring and a cone fit guide rod for it and it is tight as a drum!
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Post by: kneelingatlas on December 28, 2012, 05:22:37 PM
I just got back from the range shooting my TS with the lightened slide and the CZ race hammer installed; it feels pretty good!  I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but I think I prefer the heaviest hammer spring I tried today.  I tried the 11.5#, 13# and the 18# (I didn't bother with the 8.5# or the 7.5# since I have a stock length firing pin); the trigger pulls range from 1#, 2oz with the 7.5# spring installed to 1#, 10oz with the 18# hammer spring.  It's not like 1#, 10 oz is heavy, but I have always liked the trigger as light as I can get it however, the 18# hammer spring absorbs the energy of the slide way better.  I'm also going to order some heavy recoil springs and try them out.  Just when I had this gun all figured out, I cut the side up and now I'm back to square one!

PS: After the slide was cut, I tried a Sprinco recoil reducer and hated it; I tried it with buffers, without buffers, with six different spring weights, but it was bouncy and I could not tell and reduction in recoil.



(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa457/jjdurso/P1000781_zpsfd3a9716.jpg)
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Post by: b5.5dan on September 15, 2013, 12:09:44 AM
Have to post this. THis is my 9 year old shooting at the local outdoor range. And while it isn't a CZ, it's about the finest CZ clone around (for under $1k). The Tanfoglio ELite Match. This one in 10mm. My son is an animal! He loves to shoot. And while his accuracy with the 10mm isn't quite Olympic yet, he's great with 9mm and .22lr!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8401/8618694314_008c89c10f_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Range Reports with Proof, er, Pictures
Post by: sirgilligan on September 15, 2013, 08:41:00 AM
That's great!