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UN Gun Control Law
« on: July 11, 2012, 07:02:28 AM »
On July 27 there will be an international treaty that will define gun ownership for all countries written by the UN. 
Please write your representatives and reject this cancellation of the second amendment.  Go to http://www.dichmorris.com/  for a quick assist in e-mailing them. 
 

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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2012, 11:00:57 PM »
it requires a 2/3 majority of the senate to ratify a treaty.
 Simply tell your senator that a vote for this will be considered a violation of his oath of office and an act of treason.
 We need to demand the arrest and trial of any senator that votes to violate U.S. solventery.

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Re: UN Gun Control Law
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2012, 03:23:51 AM »
My senator (Richard Blumenthal) is one of the ones that lied about having been in Viet-Nam.  The other senator is retiring.  A form letter has been sent to both of them and the weasel congressman too.  They will probably all vote to pass this.
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Re: UN Gun Control Law
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2012, 12:13:08 PM »
          Frankly even if it passed, I shouldn't like to be around if Anyone at all tries to enforce it. The mild mannered folks will maybe give up theirs simply because they are told to. But I think there is going to be a name writing in the snow contest for everyone else.
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Re: UN Gun Control Law
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2012, 12:53:15 PM »
I wrote my congressmen about it. I ain't having that mess. There are more guns in the US than there are people, good luck taking them! Hell, the citizenry outnumber the army about 100 to 1, so I think that maybe we'd do something about it, and if the UN came in and tried anything.
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Re: UN Gun Control Law
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2012, 02:40:32 PM »
          Ya I figured that also, but I'm really not so sure the US troops Would follow that order if given, I bet well over half of them have personal weapons and they hunt or sport shoot. (trying to be a little bit Conservative)
 
          The Problem I see is that UN forces are made up of military's from everywhere. For the record normally, no UN troops serve in their own Country, they are assigned anywhere else but their home country, just for that reason. However US troops make up a portion of the UN forces and could be deployed here if necessary. It's going to a brass plated SNAFU to fire on your own countrymen and in some cases our allies. The problem with the Allies is that they would most very likely carry out orders, since most of those assigned to the UN forces have been involved in "stabilizing aggression" even in their own country and most have had the gun ban for years now and are used to it, so they won't see the problem. The other point is if we shoot our Allies for what ever reason wearing even a UN uniform instead of their own, then their respective Governments would be deeply offended  for the same reason, (they have had blind gun control for years and they are happy with it, since they made the law what else would one expect?)  and think most Americans are crazy, Cowboys, uneducated or gangsters and and in general, Rude, Crude and Sociably Unacceptable, would really perfer us to not have so many guns since it could give there folks "Ideas", Which all leads to the possibility of war. And then it's us against most of the world.
 
            And since the General Staff and the State Department have done such a great job of turning our assorted military Branch's into one giant Charley Fox Trot (IE The same uniform for both the Marines and the Army? Seriously? I said it before, in that case they had best make it uniform across the board, Every Branch wears the same combat uniform.) And it's not just the stupid uniform either it's the lack of officer training or carring that has let things like the prison debacle, the Koran incident(s) happen. And I don't blame every single General Staff Officer, Officers in general or Senior enlisted either, they have got to follow orders, and there are a great many very, very good officers and senior enlisted, they problem is they are lead by fools, almost every decent General we had over there (where ever you care to consider over there is), has been fired or retired. Some of the bad ones got what they deserved but there are more. There is a long way to go there, Considering the amount of rape reports form the field and the Academies things don't look to be improving. I think if push goes to shove most of them will take a pass on shooting at US Civilans armed or other wise.
 
          I am very proud of our Forces ALL of them, each and everyone, but I get the feeling that they are  getting very tired of being forced to do double/triple duty, lead by incompetent General staff, and then having to go Back and do it allover because the brain dead C.F.'s in the State Department gave everything they suffered for, and or died for Back to the people they were told to take it from?!!!! Then most of them have to live on food stamps, not easily gotten nor particularly good medical care.
 
          My point is this (didn't think I had a point did you?) if the vote goes through and this goes sideways it's going to get very unpleasant very fast. It will make the protests during Vietnam look like Jazz Fest and a Love In combined, and you can through in the riots while you are at it. I DO NOT want to go down that road.
 
           Ya the world has some real bad problems, but I for one am sick and tired of playing world cop. Let the folks that hosed their own countires fix their own mess, we have to much to do here. And if anyone comes here  and starts something then for the love of sanity, Level the country they came from, HARD. They knew they were hosting terrorists so that makes them accessories. No troops just one decent carpet bombing from one end to the other, and be done with it. At the very least destroy the Government buildings and Agencies and their Military. Then if if happens again then do the same thing, until our enemies AND alledged "friends" finally get the point we are tired of cleaning up their shait and being used and abused by the folks we tried to help.
 
Oh ya I forgot I think this is more of a rant. No it is a rant. Nobody actually cares accept most everyone here and places like it, so why not?
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2012, 04:01:09 PM »
I wrote my congressmen about it. I ain't having that mess. There are more guns in the US than there are people, good luck taking them! Hell, the citizenry outnumber the army about 100 to 1, so I think that maybe we'd do something about it, and if the UN came in and tried anything.

 in every country where the military has been told to fire on the civilian population they have fired as directed. Just check the 6 o'clock news on the mid east or if you have it check Aljeezera news at least you will get the truth from them.

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Re: UN Gun Control Law
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2012, 04:20:02 PM »
Did someone edit my last post? Seriously? So I can't say what I want? I'd appreciate my posts not being edited unless they contain offensive material. Pretty sure saying "Blue helmets make good targets." didn't violate any forum rules.

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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2012, 04:41:01 PM »
Did someone edit my last post? Seriously? So I can't say what I want? I'd appreciate my posts not being edited unless they contain offensive material. Pretty sure saying "Blue helmets make good targets." didn't violate any forum rules.

 If they are coming after your guns the color of their helmet should not matter to you. It won't to me.
 My thinking is the impact of a 45-70 round to the center of the chest will probably stop the heart behind the body armor

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Re: UN Gun Control Law
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2012, 05:45:09 PM »
We won't get into that, I'm just saying what I said didn't violate any rules.

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Re: UN Gun Control Law
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2012, 10:33:37 PM »
               OK Angryvikingman and Rodolfo Fierro, New rule actually I guess it's the first rule now. anyway Mods do not edit other mods, for any reason except they lost their minds and posted porn, or suggested sedition. Any difference of opinion is to be referred to me and I'll deal with it. You guys do such a great job here looking after the Forum and our members I do NOT want any public disagreements between ourselves done in the open. We have to set the example. Besides I cause more problems by myself as it is and we don't need anymore. This is how the other forum broke down, I won't let it happen here.
 
              As for your remarks  torpedoman In every country BUT this one with the exception of the Kent State incident which was NOT ordered by the Officers but started by a paniced poorly trained week end warrior. And as for the color of the helmets I think your remarks are poorly worded, Yes tempers are high to say the least, and if I was defending my home and or Country from Aggressors inside or out and I had to I would do what my conscience decided, but I will NOT go quietly. You on the other hand appeared to be saying you don't care who you have to shoot as long as you keep your weapons. Sort of makes my the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Possibly you never served in the Military or went into a fire fight trying not to pee in your pants from fear and for your friends and family. Or had someone else save your butt or you had to drag a wounded friend out of the line of fire. Every Military Person shares the same inside them, if you can see a fried or someoneyou trained with die or get wounded and not care then you have been in combat to long. Which is why I think no one will go easily into that good night if this has that sort of outcome. Did not the Civil War teach us anything? Brother against brother families against families  that is INSANE And if you have then I suppose things have changed way to much for an old man like me to understand if a soldier was willing to shot a fellow soldier with out some sort of regret.
 
         I'm not passing judgement here (well yes I am since this should have moved over to the free fire board) I am just saying that it appears old soldiers have a different perspective on shooting at our own, then the troops we have today and that's a shamefull thing for the Military to allow to happen. No way we as a Country can stand with pride if we are ready and willing to shoot each other over something that has to do with the rest of the world. I'm not saying this well at all. but I hope everyone here gets some point out of this.
 
         And frankly truth be told, if foreign troops tried to take what is mine by Constitutional and or Bill of Rights I will NOT hesitate to shoot them, even if they are wearing the flags of our former allies, people I have worked with and would do so again. I will hesitate to shoot our own troops but if they are wearing UN uniforms then they have been ordered by our own government to swear allegiance to the UN first and the US second. Which means if they take the order to use force of any kind then they are no longer Americans but traitors also. Actually for the duration of their service with the UN they aren't citizens of the US officially, (Or at least that's how it used to work.) But UN troops coming here is as far as I am concerned an act or war and there is NO mercy in me. And if this is passed then every single signer is a traitor and should resign or be recalled and voted out of office, then tried, found guilty and hanged. In public.
 
        Now that's settled. Either continue this in private or on the Free Fire Board, or everyone say your are sorry and shake hands like the Gentlemen I know you all 3 are.
 
OK this was without a doubt a rant, but I will not cannot abide watching friends I Deeply respect fight over this sort of thing.
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Re: UN Gun Control Law
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2012, 10:52:25 PM »
While I fully support and respect our troops, especially since my son is soon to be one, I do hope and pray that doesn't happen, because I will not hesitate to shoot anyone trying to take my guns away. UN, Military, Police, whoever..You will only take my guns from my cold dead fingers. I highly doubt that would ever happen though, I have faith in our military.
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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2012, 11:37:31 PM »
yea no service here except for the  22 yrs in the  navy with 2 nam tours. Been there done that. Retired chief, give me a squad of 18 year old kids and in 3 weeks i'll have them shooting anyone and anything i tell them to without giving it a thought, and any good Sargent or Chief can do the same thing. The politicians are dividing this country with their class warfare tactics , black/white rich/ poor,  business owner/worker , public servant/taxpayer. union/ right to work, pro and anti abortion, pro and anti gun anything to drive a wedge and get a vote.
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Re: UN Gun Control Law
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2012, 09:16:47 AM »
          OK guys I asked you to take this to the free fire board. Gees we picked one hell of a hot button topic. I can understand, sympathize, and maybe even feel that way,
          And, Yes Chief you are certainly correct, and I knew your service, I reread it. I needed to make a point to people that never have been shot at. My apologies. I'm honor to have you here and everyone that has served but  the conversation about shooting fellow American's let alone people like us is/was becoming way to casual. And unless I'm blocking, I don't remember ever hearing about orders to use lethal forces against civilians by the Military. It's just the idea that what we have all sacrificed up to this point (and I mean every single generation of Service Personal since the un-Civial War) seems to be casually thrown any and once again we are at a cross roads where Americans will be shooting other American, over some dump ass completely Illegal Law passed by moron bureaucrats. Problem the American People put those Morons in place we have them to thank for this, Not the Military everyone seems so hell bent and casual to take on. Frankly I'm way pass any intrest in killing, and seeing the results of full out wholesale fire fights.
        I also said that no matter what if ANYone in a foreign uniform (and UN is Very Foreign) comes here to take my freedoms away, I will not let them do so with out taking some of them with me as dogs to lay surrounding by bed as I sleep in eternity. (forget how that is actually worded Viking I think.) I also explained how the UN works and what troops do when they are assigned, I could use the undated scoop on that but at this point I don't know how things may have changed. You may remember the US Army solider that refused to be assigned to the US contingent of the UN Forces because he refused to swear allegiance to any other country or entity. He had sword an oath to protect AMERICNS as stated by the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and the UMCJ. And in those somewhere it specifically states that no American can swear Allegiance to any or country or group that would amount to superseding their Oath as Citizens (Even double passport holders where the US is their home country anyway)
 
          I also said that signing that thing would taint amount to Treason and signers should be recalled, voted out of office, tried and their fates left to their various belief systems. Now can we get pass this morbid subject regarding having to shoot each other in defence of either America, Our Conditional rights. Or at least not sound like we Hope it will come to a shooting having to do so? Please. Have not most of us seen enough killing and gross inhumanity to others to last 3 lifetimes, How can we look forward to seeing not only more, but that of our own this time. I stand by the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights and I will defend those two until I die, I just do not want to go to my grave knowing I had to do so because some dick ordered it to happend and we didn't remove them from office. I have to much stain on my souls, karma whatever as it is OK? Please? can we not just put this in abeyance until we Have to decide? Please?
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Re: UN Gun Control Law
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2012, 11:07:16 AM »
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Or at least not sound like we Hope it will come to a shooting having to do so?

Ghost, I have went over this thread several times and don't see anyone who says they want or hope this will happen. I'm pretty sure none of us want to shoot/kill anyone, especially our honored service people who have to kill in order to protect our rights. I think what we are saying is, that we will protect our rights and families from anyone who tries to infringe upon them preferably by voting if possible, but as a last resort self defense. Lets just hope we never have to find out......
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