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Firearms and Gear => CZ Handguns => Topic started by: cyberfish2 on February 04, 2017, 10:57:41 AM
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I have two CZ's on my permit; a CZ-75D Compact 9mm, and a CZ-83 .380auto. I have Sticky Holsters for both, and appendix carry either one nearly year around. I like the accuracy, and less felt recoil of these non-polymer guns. I've dressed them both up with factory wood grips and Meprolite night sights, so they are right prudy. My PD/SD loads are Hornady. I also like the SA/DA trigger.
I just never carried my .45 when it was on my permit.
So, what are your thoughts on these for concealed carry? Anybody else carry these?
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I did carry my PCR for a long time and now carry a version of the P-01. I also put the pretty wood grips on the PCR, but I'll tell you the aluminum grips that came from the custom shop on my P-01 make the gun more slim for carry. My only complaint about the PCR was the unnecessary gap between slide stop and frame and the unnecessary protrusion on the opposite side with the take down "button". I feel they could tighten that gap and bevel the frame for the button. However, I took a few more advanced courses with that PCR and it did exceptionally well. Kind of hushed the striker-only-or-yer-gonna-die mantra.
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I carry a SP-01 Tactical. I specifically chose the tactical for concealed carry.
Now all my CZs are decockers. I want muscle memory and ndural pathways to
be set for one and only one setup, so I'll probably never use a safety. My IDPA
gun is also a SP-01 Tactical.
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I had planned to put a CZ RAMI 9mm on my permit, but I had one on order over 9 months, before I gave up. The Calif 10 round approved versions are nearly non existent.
Now, as of July 1, if the law stands as signed, it will be illegal to POSSESS magazines over 10 rounds here in Calif. SOO, we have to surrender our magazines.... many of us plan to box up all our old National Geographics, Readers Digests, etc, and send them to governor jerry brown the first week of July. Otherwise, non-compliance just criminalizes otherwise legal gun owners, if the law stands.
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I had planned to put a CZ RAMI 9mm on my permit, but I had one on order over 9 months, before I gave up. The Calif 10 round approved versions are nearly non existent.
Now, as of July 1, if the law stands as signed, it will be illegal to POSSESS magazines over 10 rounds here in Calif. SOO, we have to surrender our magazines.... many of us plan to box up all our old National Geographics, Readers Digests, etc, and send them to governor jerry brown the first week of July. Otherwise, non-compliance just criminalizes otherwise legal gun owners, if the law stands.
Connecticut at least allowed you to keep the magazines if you registered them. I chose to give mine to friends/relatives in other states. The last option should be to give them to the state for destruction.
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What will the new mag capiciuty be, 0?
As for CCW and CZs, I've carried a 97B, CZ40B, 75SA, STainless 75B.
PCR, P-01, and RAMI, RAMI P, but not all in the same day:)
Aslo a Cz83 and a nickeled CZ82 in 9mm MAK.
Those were fun days.
THe 82/83 was nearly as heavy as my RAMI P, but less power.
You are pretty well armed with 14-shots of hot .380 JHP these
days.
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Turner's Outdoorsman may have some RAMIs. I say may because I've seen them have a disconnect between actual and on-line stock counts. The day I found my .40 RAMI, I don't believe it showed on line, the store didn't have any PCRs which did show on line but they have multiple stores and warehouse, of course, but had a Compact that hadn't been on line for a while, either. It might be that they don't show store display models on the on-line count? When I was checking out something else the other day, they had some CZs on hand and mentioned a RAMI while checking a hard copy list. A phone call couldn't hurt.
I decided on the 97 B (sale price is good for a change but over tomorrow 2/9/2017?) while also considering the 75 B in .40 to, as mentioned above, keep the handling and muscle memory the same as my RAMI. Don't have my permit yet but would certainly consider pretty much any of the compacts or RAMIs as well. I do like the idea of not mixing decockers and manual safety models and not sure even mixing SAOs and the SA/DA models. The more experience and practice one has, the less that may be an issue.
California, and I guess some other states as well, may be problematic. The state approved list lists by model number so a pistol with the mags removed from the box is the same item but model number is wrong so it can't be shipped in. OTOH, if limited to 10 round mag, there may be less incentive to go with a smaller caliber for a higher round count. Not withstanding that in spite of ads/listings, I don't really think there are any 10 round 11754 mags for the .40 RAMI. It will accept the 75 B mags, just they don't have the spacer, etc.
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I have my CZ52 on mine. It carries well since it is thin. I've had it for a few years, am quite used to it and use good ammo in it (Wolf JHP), so why not? My thinking is, I am used to its recoil, its flaws and shoot it well so that is why it is one of my carry pieces. It's a great no frills pistol and one of the only ones I have had that I can hit the target with consistently past 75 yards.
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Tom, I'll take you're word for it. but I would need a really large target to hit it with a carry pistol at 75 yards.
Maybe, in my younger days, when my eyes were better...
I did read a legend about Buffalo Bill killing an opponent in a 75 yard shot, resting his BP revolver in the crook of his arm....
Anyway, we are under flood watch from all the rain we so desperately needed, and got, and are still getting, so it's a good day to take advantage of senior day at The Range. Maybe try out some of the rental guns.
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Tom, I'll take you're word for it. but I would need a really large target to hit it with a carry pistol at 75 yards.
Maybe, in my younger days, when my eyes were better...
I did read a legend about Buffalo Bill killing an opponent in a 75 yard shot, resting his BP revolver in the crook of his arm....
Anyway, we are under flood watch from all the rain we so desperately needed, and got, and are still getting, so it's a good day to take advantage of senior day at The Range. Maybe try out some of the rental guns.
Wild Bill Hickok did shoot an opponent with a Walker Colt at quite a distance. Some reports confuse that he often carried a .36 cal. Navy Colt with the incident.
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Tom, I'll take you're word for it. but... ...
I can understand you skepticism. I have had this pistol for a number of years and am quite used to it, so I have a pretty good feel for how much I need to compensate for distance. Another thing with the CZ52 is that it is a very high velocity round (1700+ fps) which makes it a flat shooter and reach out a long way.
I'm sure you must have your favorite for the range that you shoot well without effort. Most of us do. My best shooters are my old Remington Nylon 66 .22 rifle and my Ruger MKI .22 pistol. Love them both and if it ever becomes a SHTF deal, I know they will put food on the table and take care of other things if need be. The CZ makes sure I keep the .22's in that case.
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Tom, I'll take you're word for it. but... ...
I can understand you skepticism. I have had this pistol for a number of years and am quite used to it, so I have a pretty good feel for how much I need to compensate for distance. Another thing with the CZ52 is that it is a very high velocity round (1700+ fps) which makes it a flat shooter and reach out a long way.
I'm sure you must have your favorite for the range that you shoot well without effort. Most of us do. My best shooters are my old Remington Nylon 66 .22 rifle and my Ruger MKI .22 pistol. Love them both and if it ever becomes a SHTF deal, I know they will put food on the table and take care of other things if need be. The CZ makes sure I keep the .22's in that case.
My two favorite handguns for accuracy at the indoor range are my Sig 1911 .45, and the CZ-75D PCR 9mm. For reasons I don't quite understand, I get good groups, every time, with either of these guns. I have dry macular degeneration, not too bad, so far at 77, so I may not do too well out past 25 yards.
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My new RAMI BD:
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/CZ%20RAMI%20BD-2017/czfbd-2_zpswdrkuu06.png) (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/czrami/media/CZ%20RAMI%20BD-2017/czfbd-2_zpswdrkuu06.png.html)
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/CZ%20RAMI%20BD-2017/czfbd_zps1iwnraze.png) (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/czrami/media/CZ%20RAMI%20BD-2017/czfbd_zps1iwnraze.png.html)
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/CZ%20RAMI%20BD-2017/ramik_zpsgl7k5ab6.jpg) (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/czrami/media/CZ%20RAMI%20BD-2017/ramik_zpsgl7k5ab6.jpg.html)
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Happier than ever with my low-slung 12:00 IWB RAMI BD with 5 "Thick" Trigger (right click and choose Open Image in New Tab):
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=81829.msg600234#msg600234 (http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=81829.msg600234#msg600234)
Deadly accurate, this little guy is the best-fitting (to my hand) firearm I've handled yet.
https://imageshack.com/i/pnwR8Fwfj (https://imageshack.com/i/pnwR8Fwfj)
I hereby protest the czforum's new formatting that precludes sharing of czforum links!
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Protest ended?
Apologies for the inconvenience from the work the DB did earlier. Everything should be corrected now.
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Rami that is a nice piece you have there. I might have to go check one out for myself.
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I have two CZ's on my permit; a CZ-75D Compact 9mm, and a CZ-83 .380auto. I have Sticky Holsters for both, and appendix carry either one nearly year around. I like the accuracy, and less felt recoil of these non-polymer guns. I've dressed them both up with factory wood grips and Meprolite night sights, so they are right prudy. My PD/SD loads are Hornady. I also like the SA/DA trigger.
I just never carried my .45 when it was on my permit.
So, what are your thoughts on these for concealed carry? Anybody else carry these?
After a very long search, over two years, I finally got a Calif. legal 9mm CZ Rami. I've wanted one for my EDC. I did a thorough cleaning on it, before putting 200 rounds of various target ammo, and 40 rounds of SD ammo thru it without a hiccup. I added Meprolite night sights, and a couple Pearce (modified PD-XD) mag extentions, a Cajun Gun Works trigger pin, and some nice rosewood grips from Thailand. All that's left to do now is go qualify with it, so I can get it on my carry permit. Now, if I could just figure out how to post a pic .....?
https://plus.google.com/photos/104255192032225050465/album/6413329137344536017/6413329176748098850
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When I'm in my truck working out in the sticks, my cc is my Walther PPQ in .45. In more civilized environs it's been my Rami BD in 9mm. Just picked up a P10C today. Since the Rami comes with 2 10 rnd and one 14, the 15rnd P10 doesn't give me much advantage there. The Rami will also accept the 16rnd mags from the full size 75s. The 75 mags however will not work in the P10.
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Protest ended, HOGNUT. Good job.
Eagerly awaiting my new Limited Edition Urban Grey CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical Suppressor-Ready:
http://www.czforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=5271.msg22323#msg22323 (http://www.czforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=5271.msg22323#msg22323)
I'm going to make a pouch, captured by a flap between the mattress-box spring interface, whereby the longish suppressor-fitted SP-01 can lay readily at hand.
I'm amazed by the pricing on suppressors, and welcome any input on which is the best-of-the-best. Peachboy son says the suppressor suppliers are hurting by the in-limbo status created by the Hearing Protection Act, but notes that since said legislation includes refund of the $200 tax, there's no reason to wait, and indeed perhaps the current market offers bargain-hunting opportunity.
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I carry the PCR more than any my other guns. It's that good and reliable.
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Well I am a big CZ guy & I CC my CZ'S most of the time. They are the CZ,75BD(full size) 75,compact or my P-01. Sometimes I even carry my CZ,97 the BIG 45ACP. Yes its big but I can do it. I am 6'4 230 LBS. Hey I almost forgot my CZ40 I carry that also. But most of the time it's the 75BD or 75,compact. I like the P-01 better for the decocker but like the weight of the compact. I just like a heavy gun but shoot the P-01 very well also. I find that CZ'S like 124gr ammo better then 115gr & that's what I use in mine on the range & for carry.The CZ'S the do not have a decocker (Witch I like better) & the few that I have with the safety I just don't use it. I wont carry cock & locked anyway.
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I also carried a big 97B for two years in the winter, and a P-01 or 75B in the
summer.
My RAMI came along and it got the nod for carry after I developed back back
problems.
However, after I finally got to handle a P10C last month, besides my wondeerful
Scorpion pistol, a P10 C is ALL I can think about.
Fit my hand prefectly and felt as light (unloaded) as a RAMI or RAMI BD... maybe even lighter.
Pointed wonderfully and no funky munky DA or then SA trigger pull to mess with..
as I'm still stuggling with the first shot DA pull of my BD.
My old RAMi gets the cocked and locked treatment, as my aging hands can't pull the
trigger anymore.
I think it's the DA arc that is the problem, but the striker-fired P10C fixes that.
My hopes is that i can save for a black one (the FDE color seems too light for me..
at least with the one I handled) and then that CZUB offers a smaller grip in 2018.
Perhaps like this,,.a RAMI 10-shot mag or even a single-stack magazine.
(http://i66.tinypic.com/b81np1.jpg)
Weight should be around 20 ounces.
We can only hope for such, or at least my Sciatica plauged bad back can.
As for me wanting to buy a P10 C right now..
My wife's hours were cut yet again, so money will be the problem, not the
desire to get CZ's new super pistol.
(http://i66.tinypic.com/21kjxag.jpg)